Polar Vortex

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http://polarbearscience.com/2013/07/15/global-population-of-polar-bears-has-increased-by-2650-5700-since-2001/

A K A: How mice kill polar bears.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

Yep, you're right. The most extreme predictions seem to be inaccurate, unless this is an anomaly, because of the milder 2013 summer. What else is new? The IPCC report says there is medium confidence that the Arctic ice will be pretty much gone, under 1 million square miles, by 2050. I don't much care what Al Gore, or any climate scientist, predicted 7 years ago. Old data, old conclusions. Try to keep up.

It think this proves conclusively that even among scientists who predict that the Arctic will lose its ice, their predictions vary, and the people who deny it is happening will spread the news that one scientist was wrong about it.

You guys are a hoot.

You'd be funny, but cranial rectalillitis seems to be contagious around here.

As I have said too many times, for every, "global warming is a hoax" piece you can dredge up, I could find 5 to refute them.

The Earth has been cycling between hot and cold for eons. You jokers can't change that.

It'll still be doing it long after it is free of humans and their biases.

We're all in agreement.

The earth warms and cools in natural cycles and has done so forever. It's so easy a polar bear could understand it.

Oh wait...they've been around for thousands of years.

The only thing that needs to stop is the lies.

No, we're not all in agreement.

The Middle East used to be the Fertile Crescent, until the farmers there destroyed the land over thousands of years by using river water for irrigation. If only there had been some scientists there who could have actually measured the salt being deposited in the soil and told them what was happening. But the priests would probably have said that there is no way that mere humans could destroy the land. Only the gods can destroy the land. Anyway, salt comes and goes. Anyone can see that it is not increasing, because my brother has been farming for his whole life and sometimes he produces just as much as our father and grandfather did. And anyway if it did increase it would be OK, because we can grow other crops instead. And if we can't grow other crops, then we can just go somewhere else. And if we can't go somewhere else, we can just live in the sand.

Modern scientists were involved in the irrigation project in the Central Valley in California. They said that the project would avoid desertification like the Fertile Crescent as long as the project included a way for the water to drain out of the Central Valley. Well, the farmers didn't want to pay for that extra, non-productive part of the project, so they left that part out. So now the southern part of the Central Valley is slowly being abandoned because of the salt accumulating there.

The government has joined hands with Monsanto and others, and they are slowly poisoning the land and the population with glyphosate.

Not only does this have nothing to do with climate change, but unlike the warming and cooling cycles of planet earth, it can be stopped at any time.

I do agree with that. Except the part about being able to stop it at any time. Not sure how to go about doing that. It is similar to global warming in that in order to make any progress you have to break the hold that mega corporations have on the government.

Easy. Now that weeds are resistant to glyphosate and it takes tons more every year to hold them back, we declare roundup ready crops a failure and ban them.

Along with that, we should also admit that the entire ethanol experiment is a failure, (which led to pressure for more corn), and stop it.

We could also end our high tariffs on sugar, and stop stuffing all of our food with high fructose corn syrup.

Along with that, we should declare the mercury laden, curly light bulbs a failure, and allow incandescents until LED lighting is fully affordable.

Government is inherently selfish and stupid. Fixing things comes very rarely, if at all.

We DO agree on a bunch of things, like glyphosate, ethanol, sugar, LED light bulbs.

Who would declare roundup ready crops a failure and ban them? Has to be some kind of government thing, right? Subject to influence by the money?

I disagree that government is inherently selfish and stupid, but I do agree that it has a strong tendency to go that way. Any organization with a steep hierarchy, including large businesses, provides opportunities for sabotage and politics to be used to get into positions of power.

There are things that can only be done by governments, that are worth doing even if they are inefficient. It seems like we often place a high value on efficiency, especially capitalists who seem to say that the highest good is market efficiency. I agree that efficient markets are better than inefficient markets, other things being equal, but I'd take full employment over market efficiency any day.

What is "Flea Market Capitalism?" Sounds like something I would like.

One of government's jobs is to look out for people that break the law, and prosecute them. We've now got a disgusting array of union and corporate sponsorship, with the citizens paying the freight.

I work alone and listen to talk radio all day long. One day I thought I heard someone say "Flea market capitalism", when they actually said, "Free market capitalism", and I started thinking about it.

It occurred to me that crony capitalism has become so rampant with rotten to the core politicians and their corporate sponsors, that explaining to someone what actual, "Free Market Capitalism is, would be almost impossible. All young people see is politicians selling themselves like whores.

A Flea Market, farmer's market...even a garage sale, are what real capitalism is, and was always intended to be.

The mutually beneficial movement of goods and services at an agreed upon price.

In true free market capitalism, there are no losers. Government has no business being involved in it, other than collecting their taxes and enforcing common sense laws in regard to pollution, misrepresentation, theft, etc.

A true "free market" is self correcting. We wouldn't have housing booms and busts without government involvement. As cruel as it sounds, people that can't afford to buy a house, shouldn't get a house on someone else's back. They can work hard, rent and save money toward a house. That's what I did.

It worries me when our leaders tell us that capitalism is greedy and evil. I wonder just what the hell their government run alternative is?

Actually, that's a lie. I know what their idea of "fairness" is. History is filled with the destroyed lives that government imposed fairness brings.

What records? It has been colder for longer back in the 70's & 80's at least in Minnesota. you guys probably didn't pay attention to the weather back then.

What about today?

SW Minn. has 40 MPH winds and snow.

High of 13° Thursday and -5° that night.

It was warm there last week.

That Polar Vortex again?

What about the Halloween storm in 91? The storm in 92 on November 1st? 60 days or more below freezing in the 90's. - 15 degrees Fahrenheit for a high in the 80's and 90's? I had to carry my car battery up 3 stories in the 70's and put it in the next morning to get to work. No garage.

Sorry, I'm a non-native.

We bought a place there 10 years ago, after my wife saw it on the internet.

We go there once a year for a week. Decadent, I know.

It's a long story and not of interest to the forum.

Tell us more!

That's what you get when you confuse weather with climate. Sure the weather is cold in the northern US right now. But that's because the biggest tropical storm ever recorded is pushing warm air into the arctic over Alaska, and the jet stream is being bent so that it brings arctic air down. Please remember that when a big storm comes down out of the north, warm air is probably going north to replace it. That does not change the amount of heat in the atmosphere, it just moves it around. That's weather, not climate.

When it gets hot in Arizona, there are places that get very cold there as a direct result of the heat. That may sound silly and counterintuitive, until you realize that air conditioners come on and create local cold spots, especially in movie theaters and grocery stores. That doesn't mean that it's not hot outside.

how enlightening

You would believe listen to go any where near something from a self-confessed politician?