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Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/13/2014 11:16 PM

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We have Crompton Greaves Induction Motor, which is of 7.5 hp, and 415 volts as mentioned in its nameplate. When converted to kW, it is arond 5.595 kW (7.5*0.746), so full load current calculated comes as 9.73 Amps (taking 0.8 pf - as we have used 0.8 pf for the diesel generator rating also). But 11.3 Amps is mentioned on its nameplate. Why? (This is possible if power factor is reduced to 0.6888, but how to justify).

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 12:10 AM

Is the motor efficiency stated on the nameplate? Is the power factor (or cos phi) stated? Most 415 volt systems are in SI countries, so why does the nameplate specify hp?

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 12:27 AM

The FLA will vary according to rpm, due to efficiency losses....

http://www.roycecross.com.au/documents/manualsPDF/CG%20THREE%20PHASE%20CATALOGUE.pdf

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 4:25 AM

Because the efficiency is 86% (= 9.73/11.3). Motor rating is the shaft output power, not the electrical input.

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 5:26 AM

the efficiency at full load is: 86% and rpm is 950 as mentioned in the nameplate,

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 5:34 AM

Is there an echo in the room?

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 6:19 AM

sorry, 85% full load efficiency, frame 132M, ambient 50 degree centigrade, RPM 950.

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11/14/2014 8:01 AM

Yes, you should have divided by that as well to get FLC. Rpm does not affect current.

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11/14/2014 10:38 AM

taking the value of efficiency as 0.861048 gives FLC of 11.30 Amp, but with 85% efficiency, we get FLC as 11.447 Amps. Is there adjustment for ambient temperature of 50 degree centigrade?

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11/14/2014 10:46 AM

At this point, I think you are 'splitting hairs'.

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 11:38 AM
  • "...taking the value of efficiency as 0.861048 gives FLC of 11.30 Amp, but with 85% efficiency, we get FLC as 11.447 Amps. Is there adjustment for ambient temperature of 50 degree centigrade?"
  • "At this point, I think you are 'splitting hairs'."

Working so hard to account for 0.147A out of 11.447A is in my opinion more like splitting the split ends of hairs... This should be nominated for being the defining statement in describing "anal retentive" for the year.

That level (1.28417926094173%) of exactitude can be more than accounted for by measurement error.

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11/14/2014 11:41 AM

Not that I'm aware of, but you might look on the internet. It's not an exact science, definitely not to 6 decimal places!

I agree with #9. One minute you're wondering why it's 11.3 amp, not 9.73, next you're querying 1 percentage point.

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 2:07 PM

I want to see how that guy above sets a thermal relay with a precsion around 1 mA. :)

Neither the motor current nor the settings of conventional thermal motor protection relays is very precise, let allow a +/- couple of % and surrounding temperature play a role too.

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/14/2014 10:16 PM

The above link for induction motor from Crompton Greaves showsFrame size too. It is mentioned in the catalog as: 63 to 400 for TEFC.

But in my motor nameplate rating, Frame has been defined as MD132M and BPM123M. How to interpret this?

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11/15/2014 6:58 AM

The 123 is a typo. The prefix letters may designate items such as extended or stepped shafts, such as used for some types of pumps. They have little or no effect on amperage characteristics.

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Re: Crompton Greaves Induction Motor Data

11/15/2014 5:51 AM

Is it FLC or Staring Current?. I would like to what is the problem in the performance of the motor?. Is it getting heated up?. We have used similar size motors suitable for Crane Duty and they have worked well without any problem. Crompton is well known and reliable make.

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