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Tabs on 2.9L Fan Clutch: Break Off or Leave On

12/26/2014 6:18 AM

Pictured is the recently removed, 1st post-factory fan clutch and fan from my 2.9L-series Ranger, purchased in 1987. It is to be presently installed in conjunction with the

replacement of the pickup's 1st aftermarket coolant pump , installed circa 1999; however, a question has come up as to what appears to be two missing "tabs" (red-circled in picture) that were broken off, or have broken off, sometime before or during service use of the clutch. I do not remember taking note, one way or the other, of the missing tabs during the previous clutch installation; but, neither is it clear how they could have detached unnoticed during pickup operaton.

Given that the tabs, whether all five or only three, would seem to play a possible (and also critical) role in maintaining balanced (i.e., non-oscillating) fan spin (and in resultant fan/clutch/ pump durability), there also seems to be no more that three possibilities as to the tabs' intended purpose and/or cause of "disappearance", whether only three tabs or as many as all five in number:

1. That the two, uniformly-spaced, missing tabs (each showing clear evidence of break-off without shearing) somehow broke loose in clutch service and were ejected from engine compartment.

a. But note, that as regards such a possibility, it should be a inarguable surprise that any related clutch-installation procedure would not have conspicuously warned and instructed all five tabs or any up to 5 tabs to be broken off and discarded-

b. being an alteration not only for safety consideration (to make break of in service impossible, but also having ramification related to weight as well as rotational moment of inertia factors related to functional efficiency and wear & tear; and/or…

2. That their purpose was/is to provide spacing offset to prevent packaging carton damage to the viscous clutch temperature regulation coil (center picture)-again a factor suggesting the advisability of tab removal previous to installation; or alternatively…

3. That their inclusion was/is meant as a design adjunct providing for manual tab break-off for the purpose of post assembly dynamic rotational balancing of the clutch (after the fashion of a tire spin balance) in order to minimize fan oscillation in service; and which would negate 1 and 2 above at least to the extent that no more than two tabs could be removed without defeating any packaging protection functionality.

So this posting asks members for any authoritative opinion or guidance they can offer as to:

· Whether or not the "missing" tabs represent damage necessitating clutch replacement;

· Whether or not the missing tabs are due to a purposeful factory-balance alignment of the clutch that renders it suitable for reuse;

· Whether or not, previous service notwithstanding, it will be an acceptable choice to remove (or not remove) all tabs and then return the clutch to service (or even to do likewise respecting a new-replacement fan).

Thank you for your thoughts in response to, or rebuttal of, the above points in question.

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Re: Tabs on 2.9L Fan Clutch: Break Off or Leave On

12/26/2014 9:18 AM

Here is what I think,

  1. The tabs may be there to assist in removing the fan mounting nut?
  2. I would suggest replacing it.
  3. If you don't want to replace it then cut the tabs off and then file or grind smooth. You may run into balancing issues though.
  4. The correct answer would be to replace any part that is damaged, without knowing exactly how this mounts its difficult to be 100% sure.
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12/26/2014 3:13 PM

Ditto on "not sure." I considered that but it doesn't explain why some tabs left/found intact. Or what tool to wedge with. Or why wouldn't break off when untorquing, since made to snap off. The clutch removal loaner tool set has wrenches both for untorquing and for backuo sieze. And no instruction anywhere mentions use of tabs for torquing. It's as if they don't really even exist. And their snap off character suggests, removing once any purpose, such as torquing (or removing from package) is accomplished. But what the hey? Or did I mean, hay. Thanks

Oh, I don't think filing needed. See the already broke off tabs; they look made to snap off....like knock-out in electric box.

like knock out in electric box.

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12/30/2014 9:08 AM

Can't tell for sure, but it looks like characters are stamped on the tag. Maybe it's just for identification.

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Re: Tabs on 2.9L Fan Clutch: Break Off or Leave On

12/26/2014 10:57 AM

If they serve no obvious function, and don't mate with a feature on the opposing assembly and you haven't noticed any problems, put it back together. I don't see any balance problems. Any wear marks anywhere to indicate that they mated with anything?

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12/26/2014 3:24 PM

Thanks...good photo. And, nothing to indicate any function except packgaging protection in transit to point of sale. What can't be known readily is any effect they might have had in the failure of the pump. But is does seem like that not having them there at all would lighten the load on the clutch itself. If they are not for balance, and made to snap off, then perhaps their only "function" is to be snapped off. Or not:(

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12/26/2014 3:59 PM

But here's another idea. Looking at your photo on the right...seems the tabs could play a role in the mfg process handling. At the same time, leaving some attached would seem to run counter to the admonisment to purchasers to never lay the new clutch flat...lest it be hydraulically ruined. Also, given the absense of two rather than...all tabs, one is left to wonder: Was it just some lazy, disdainful line worker who did not want to be bothered removing more than two tabs. Or is the absence of just two tabs a hint that the others are not needed and should be removed; or conversely. I have contacted AutoZone chat in hopes they might be able to get factory/supplier answer. I'll post their answer if it is forthcoming.

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12/26/2014 6:22 PM

I think you are over analyzing this.

But, you may have a point about protecting the spring thingy.

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12/26/2014 6:42 PM

Aha! Yes, that's probably so. But I have this genetic thing about drawing disaster relying on best instincts. Runs on both sides ot the "family" so what's a fellow to do? Anyway, let's see what AutoZone's "other guy" says. And thanks again.

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12/26/2014 2:26 PM

If it doesn't work, change it.

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12/26/2014 3:42 PM

"If it doesn't work, change it."

Hmm! There's a new and intriguing twist. Reminds me of Mario our former squatter, whose motto for delicate repairs always seemed to be: You don't have a heavy ball peen? Here, let me try.

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Re: Tabs on 2.9L Fan Clutch: Break Off or Leave On

12/27/2014 3:27 AM

"Analysis paralysis" it is. Those tabs are there so that the same clutch can serve in multiple engine applications, some where the fan is on the front, others where the fan is on the back, they're just locating/mounting tabs which mate with slots on the fan hub.

From a fan clutch patent: "...According to an embodiment of the invention, it is provided that attachment niches, with which attachment tabs extending inward from the fan flange ring engage, are situated on the front and the back of the fan clutch. The attachment niches on the front are offset in relation to the attachment niches on the back in the circumferential direction, i.e., they are situated in a "staggered" manner. This achieves the advantage that the fan may be mounted and attached to the same clutch from either the front or the back. The mounting and fastening directions are therefore preferably the same..."

They're thin and small relative to the entire spinning mass so they probably don't affect the balance but if you're really worried, snap 'em all off.

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12/27/2014 3:57 AM

Now that's the kind of analysis "lysis" (in the fever sense) I have been waiting for, especially the answer to the implication that "leave 'em or rip 'em." When comes to mechanics NY rocks...except Troy. Definitely definitive. And, I had noticed with bemusement the atypical front rear symmetry of mating cavity; and a peculiar "front" embossment that evoked the question: "front of what?" GArate.

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12/28/2014 9:50 PM

Front of the vehicle. The circular spring is a bimetallic thermostatic element, it senses the temperature of the air coming in from the "front" of the vehicle after it's passed over the radiator. It controls the opening and closing of ports inside the clutch which in turn control the flow of a silicone fluid that forms a temperature and engine speed sensitive system for controlling the fan speed.

Totally automatic but not adjustable/controllable, its use has been has fallen in favor of computer controlled electric radiator fan(s) which are both.

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12/28/2014 1:52 AM

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. As long as the engine is cooling when the vehicle is idling, it must be working. Stop worrying about it.

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