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Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/07/2015 11:54 AM

Has any found a good alternative to chlorine in swimming pools

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Re: Alternative to chlorine in swimming pools

01/07/2015 11:58 AM
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Re: Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/07/2015 12:44 PM

No.

Not really.

It's cheap and effective. And if used properly it is almost imperceptible to eyes and skin.

Salt Chlorine Generators for Swimming Pool Water are popular with some.

I've owned a pool for over 35 years, and just use 3" tablets in a floating dispenser, and liquid pool shock periodically.

My pool is trouble free, except for having to remove leaves and vacuum it after dust storms.

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Re: Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/07/2015 1:34 PM

fresh water worked for Hearst

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Re: Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/07/2015 3:25 PM

It is unlikely to actually be chlorine in your pool water. It is almost certainly sodium hypochlorite so I would say this is a good substitute to chlorine.

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01/07/2015 4:56 PM

Pendantic.

Lest you correct me too, "I use 3" tablets in a floating dispenser <cyanuric chloride>, and liquid pool shock <calcium hypochlorite> periodically.

It's all chlorine to me and the guy at the pool store.

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01/07/2015 11:18 PM

Maybe I'm now being pedantic but Calcium Hypochlorite is a powder not a liquid (it can be pre-made into a solution but it is generally pretty weak). If you are using a liquid it is likely Sodium Hypochlorite. You would be better off using the powder as it is far stronger and therefore more effective as a shock treatment, and cheaper to boot. The powder is typically around 65% Chlorine, whereas the liquid starts out from the factory at around 13% but is typically only about 8% by the time you get it.

Be aware also that those 3" tablets (most likely Sodium Trichlor) are very low in pH (around about 3) so you need to constantly adjust your pH upward if using them.

A better alternative would be Sodium Dichlor tablets which have an almost neutral pH and also a lower Isocyanuric acid level, so they don't contribute so much to "Chlorine lock" which can prevent the chlorine from being able to function in the pool.

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01/07/2015 11:53 PM

My mistake. Sodium, I guess.

The round pucks I add are:

whatever that is.

The liquid is whatever they put in those white bottles at my pool store. Nothing on those that I could see to take a picture of and it's dark here.

Like I said I ask for chlorine and I get some stuff that seems to work.

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01/07/2015 8:25 PM

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01/08/2015 10:42 PM

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01/07/2015 10:28 PM

It's reasonably common in Australia to find Salt based swimming pools. I would think it would be a little hard on the pump etc. unless designed for it.

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01/07/2015 11:02 PM

The Salt base is still a Chlorinated pool. The electrolytic cell converts the salt into Sodium hypochlorite (liquid Chlorine) which then converts back to salt in the pool.

Some alternatives to chlorine are UV sterilizers and Copper/silver ionizers. Both work well, but it is generally a requirement to keep a free Chlorine content in your pool for safety sake when the sterilizer is not in operation, so chlorine is still required as a backup.

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01/07/2015 11:14 PM

Ozone, and or salt …Our gym pool uses an Ozone / chlorine system, with the chlorine salt being very small in percentage---They are large, heated, outdoor pools, and the Chlorine is barely perceptible.. Water is always clean and clear, and we are in So. Cal….If this helps….

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Re: Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/07/2015 11:19 PM

Why do you want or need an alternative? Is it an allergy or the Chlorine smell?

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Re: Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/07/2015 11:59 PM

Chlorine is popular because it handles the three main jobs in keeping a swimming pool clean: It sanitizes (kills bacteria and germs), oxidizes (controls organic debris from perspiration and body oils), and deters algae. The chemical is unpopular because it has a strong odor, reddens eyes, and causes allergic reactions in some swimmers.
There are alternatives to chlorine including bromine, ionizers, and ozonators, though with each you'll still need to use some chlorine. A fourth alternative is PHMB, which doesn't require the use of any chlorine. All four have drawbacks, including cost.
Chlorine is relatively cheap. How much chlorine you'll need depends on the size of your pool, length of the swim season, amount of use, and other factors. For a 20,000-gallon pool that's open year-round, figure you'll spend about $600 annually.

Bromine

What it is: Pool suppliers sometimes suggest bromine as a substitute for chlorine. It can be an acceptable alternative for those with allergic reactions to chlorine, although that's not guaranteed since bromine is also in the same halogen chemical family. Aquatic specialist Alison Osinski believes 5% of the population has an allergy to chlorine.
How it works: Bromine does a fine job as a sanitizer, but it doesn't oxidize as well as chlorine. Most homeowners rely on a hybrid version known as BCDMH tablets that are typically 66% bromine and 27% chlorine to tackle that job. Some people opt for a two-step process of combining bromine salt extracted from seawater with potassium peroxymonosulfate (a.k.a. oxygen shock) in the pool to create that same sanitizing/oxidizing power.
Pros/Cons: Bromine remains stable at high temperatures, which is why many technicians recommend it for spas more than swimming pools. It's less irritating on mucus membranes than its chlorine cousin, although it still produces an odor. And if you use just bromine in the pool (not the BCDMH compound), it leaves the water a dull green color that foams up when you swim in it, because the oxidation process is weaker.
Cost: It's more expensive to operate a pool with bromine. Figure you could spend up to twice as much as you would if you use chlorine only.

Ionizers

What it is: Ionizers rely on two dissimilar metals-often copper (an algaecide) and silver (a sanitizer)-sent charged into the water as the sanitizer. The oxidizer is missing, so you'll need a small amount of chlorine or bromine in the water to handle this cleaning aspect.
How it works: An ionizer is a device that uses a low-voltage DC current to send these two metals into the water. The positive charge attracts bacteria, germs, and algae, and the new, larger compounds they form are carried out in the filtration system.
Pros/Cons: Like bromine, an ionizer doesn't irritate swimmers' eyes and noses. It can substantially reduce the amount of chlorine required. Chlorine and an ionizer work together better than chlorine alone, says Osinski.
Yet, she still considers ionizers a poor choice. For starters, you only reduce the chlorine amount significantly if just a few people use the pool on a regular basis, there are few plants and landscaping in the area, and your air isn't heavily polluted. High dirt levels are beyond what an ionizer can fight on the sanitation side.
Also, ionizers depend on moving water, so you must run the pool pump continuously to keep the sanitizing action in place. And the increased levels of metal in the water can stain the pool and turn swimmers' hair and fingernail beds green.
Cost: About $300 for an ionizer that handles up to 40,000 gallons of water. Homeowners may need to replace the metals in the system as often as once a swimming season, at an average cost of $129. Also factor in the energy cost of running the pool pump around the clock.

Ozonators

What it is: An ozonator is a machine that attaches to the filtration plumbing line. It inserts ozone gas (an active form of oxygen) into the pool to react with impurities in the water.
How it works: There are two types of ozone generators: ultraviolet light and corona discharge. In a UV light system, special low-pressure vapor lamps installed on the water return line create ozone to kill pathogens as they float by. Corona discharge generators rely on an electrical arc to create ozone inside the generator. Again, this ozone kills pathogens in the filtration system.
Pros/Cons: Ozone generators can reduce chlorine usage up to 90%, and they use the same amount of electricity as a 60-watt light bulb when the filter pump is turned on, so the added energy demand is tiny.
Aquatic consultants say ozonators combined with chlorine are extremely effective as long as you circulate the water 24/7. One caveat: Ozonators run best on dry air, so if you live in a humid climate, expect performance to decline.
Cost: A typical ozone generator starts at $600 to handle 7,000 gallons of water; $1,200 to cover 25,000 gallons. Take into account the expense of the pool pump running continuously.

PHMB

What it is: There's only one way to eliminate the use of chlorine completely: Switch your pool to the chemical compound PHMB, short for polyhexamethylene biguanide. Homeowners commonly know PHMB by the Baquacil and SoftSwim brand names.
How it works: PHMB disinfects by penetrating bacteria cell walls, causing them to burst from within. It then wraps those particles in a heavy gel, which sinks to the bottom of the pool, where the vacuum system sucks it up.
Pros/Cons: PHMB doesn't oxidize, so you'll need to use hydrogen peroxide for this. You'll also need to use a separate algaecide and clean pool filters-yes, even the sand ones-every four to six weeks.
PHMB is kinder on swimmers' skin and hair, easy on vinyl pool liners, and doesn't require as much attention as other chemicals to keep in balance. However, because PHMB is incompatible with chlorine, you'll need to first drain the pool.
Once you're back up and running, make sure every bathing suit has been washed. Even traces of chlorine in suit fibers will react with PHMB. The result of the reaction: a yellowish vapor that'll radiate from your bathing suit.
Cost: The cost for PHMB chemicals to maintain a 10,000-gallon pool for a 16-week summer season is about $725.


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Re: Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/08/2015 1:30 AM

Bromine stinks, indistinguishably from excrement.

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01/08/2015 1:39 AM

A good answer. The only bit that I would take issue with is this "The chemical is unpopular because it has a strong odor, reddens eyes"

A properly maintained Chlorine pool will have no Chlorine odour or red eyes.

It is a fact that using too little Chlorine in the pool allows Chloramines to develop, and it is those that cause the smell and irritate the eyes of swimmers.

Regular shock treating with higher than normal doses of chlorine in the swimming season (even in pools sanitised in some of the other ways mentioned on this thread) will totally eliminate the smell and the red eye.

To assist the Chlorine to do its job and also to reduce the incidence of redeye, it is also important to keep the ph as close to neutral 7 as possible with due regard to the pool's surface coating (6.8 for fibreglass and vinyl, and 7.4 for marble sheen, painted and pebblefinishes). Unfortunately, Chlorine works best at low pH levels, but this is not a comfortable zone for swimmers.

I would also add that Bromine is better suited for hot spas than for swimming pools, and it doesn't produce the Chloramine smell in spas as does Chlorine, which is due to the constant release of body oils caused by the hot water.

Hot spas??? Consider having a bath after 4 others have used the water before you and you have the same environment as you do in a medium sized spa with 10 people aboard...Yuk

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01/08/2015 6:08 AM

I once repurposed a marine aquarium ozone generator, less the ORP controller, on screened in swimming pool and only ran the generator with the pump on its normal schedule. It reduced the need for chlorine considerably. The generator only lasted about year probably because it was never intended for that high a duty cycle. I would use a proper set up again if my current pool didn't collect so much leaf debris.

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01/08/2015 3:47 PM

I used the softswim brand of PHMB and it was an improvement over the chlorine system. It was much less work maintaining the correct levels, didn't smell, didn't burn the eyes and nose (as much), and didn't fade bathing suits. I did twice run into a problem where the water became very cloudy, requiring the use of a flocculant. I never experienced that with chlorine.

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01/08/2015 6:18 AM

Ok so my last response may have been pedantic but I'll tell you how we used to treat sea water when I worked in the aquaculture industry.

First pump sea water into a 150 micron drum filter then collect in a header tank with air stones in the bottom. This would have a flocculation effect to get rid of some colloids. From here pump through a 50 micron bag filter, the 10 micron bag filter then 1 micron bag filter in series. From there pass through a UV sterilizer and collect in another header tank. Allow suitable mixing in this tank and pass through another UV sterilizer.

This is the water which the fish would swim in but for the lab work they added various chemicals depending on what they needed to do. I didn't get involved in that. However, sodium hypochlorite was widely used because of its effectiveness and it is relatively cheap. I would suspect that if there was a better and cheaper alternative they would have used it so this is not a definitive answer but I would say stick with it.

And by the way, I did manage not to open this one with a more pedantic answer which Fredski has already mentioned. Chlorine being a highly toxic gas heavier than air would be the last thing I would want in my swimming pool. I'd change it out for water.

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Re: Alternative to Chlorine in Swimming Pools

01/08/2015 10:46 PM

Hydrogen peroxide is another option, although more expensive and likely less effective than chlorine. However, it will not react adversely with amines etc. and will actually remove residual hypochlorite.

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03/31/2015 9:58 AM

may be you use biodegradable elements to clean the swimming pool.

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