Previous in Forum: Control Valve   Next in Forum: HP Consumed by a Hydraulic Pump
Close
Close
Close
8 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 14

Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/06/2015 2:24 PM

For all pump experts -

I know similar questions have been asked for the mentioned topic, However, I still need to hear a clear and straight answer/clarification for this question.

I have witnessed the installation of multistage centrifugal booster pumps (Horizontal), The suction line and the discharge line were of larger size comparing to the pump suction and discharge nozzles. The contractor installed an eccentric reducer at the suction nozzle and concentric reducer at the discharge nozzle to match with the adjacent piping. Several Engineers have a concern that this issue may create a turbulence and friction losses resulting from the reducers, and this may lead to cavitation and more energy consumption. I believe that the only practical solution to match the piping is to use the reducers, and the pump capacity and rated point was selected to match the system design requirement.

Technically, is it acceptable to install the reducers ?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Active Contributor

Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 14
#1

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/06/2015 2:30 PM

By the way, the pump operating point (total dynamic head) with the friction losses that may be created due to reducers, match the rated point as per the pump curve.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#2

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/06/2015 2:54 PM

There's usually no choice. Typical velocities based on pump suction and discharge sizes are quite high, and could cause excessive headloss if the same sizes were used for the pipe runs, specially if if long lengths are involved. So you have to use reducers, and include the additional friction loss caused in the pump duty.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1296
Good Answers: 104
#3

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/06/2015 3:47 PM
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/06/2015 6:20 PM

That (recent thread) explains it nicely.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#5
In reply to #3

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/07/2015 4:35 AM

But that deals mainly with where to use concentric and eccentric reducers. Only #7 mentions velocities. I believe current query is mainly about whether reducers are needed at all.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1296
Good Answers: 104
#7
In reply to #5

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/07/2015 10:00 AM

I thought you had already addressed that in post #2. How else to connect one size pipe to another size nozzle?

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#8
In reply to #7

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/07/2015 10:15 AM

OK my bad. I didn't appreciate it was meant to be read in addition to my #2.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Eastern Kansas USA
Posts: 1503
Good Answers: 128
#6

Re: Eccentric Suction Reducer and Concentric Discharge Reducer

02/07/2015 9:59 AM

Sir,

1. I know of two types of reducers--threaded ones often called bushings where the change in pipe diameter is abrupt, and tapered ones (usually with flanges). For the first, there can be substantial turbulence and friction loss, but with the second, the turbulence and friction loss is fairly low (quite low if the taper is gentle). I suspect your question involves the use of tapered reducers.

2. Cavitation occurs if the available suction head pressure at the operating flow rate in the impellers is below the boiling point of the liquid being pumped at the liquid's temperature. A pretty good approximate measurement of the risk for cavitation is to measure the suction head pressure.

3. An oversized suction line will reduce the friction losses on the suction side of the pump, resulting in a higher suction pressure and a lower risk of cavitation.

4. An oversized discharge line will reduce the friction loss component of net head pressure and can thus increase the flow the pump is producing. This results in a higher risk of cavitation because the higher flow rate through the impeller has the effect of reducing the pressure inside the impeller.

5. You say the pump is operating within its designed pump curve. As long as the suction head pressure is above the minimum specified by the pump manufacturer, then you should have no problems with cavitation. The engineer's concern with turbulence is minor.

--JMM

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 8 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

ahmad abdallah (1); bigg (2); Codemaster (3); jmueller (1); lyn (1)

Previous in Forum: Control Valve   Next in Forum: HP Consumed by a Hydraulic Pump

Advertisement