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Starting Large Motor 2MW with Captive Transformer Using Temporary Transformer

02/19/2015 4:01 AM

Dear all, I need some advices regarding to start large motor cooling water pump 2000kw, 3.3kV(detail info is listed below) using captive transformer 3500kVA (13.8kV/3.3kV).

And IMHO, captive trafo is supplied from temporary transformer 3000kVA (20kV/3.45kV) which sufficient to deliver starting motor 2000kW (I think), but not bigger than the captive tranformer 3500kVA,

This captive trafo also through using backfeed transformer 10MVA, 3.3kV/13.3kV (normal is step down Dyn-11, 13.8kV/3.45kV) which suppose to be use ground protection transformer or zig-zag trafo for delta side of the 10MVA trafo. With this starting scheme, is it sufficient to make start of this motor? Motor data: Pump driven for motor cooling water: 2000kW, BHP: 1760kw, spee: 600rpm, poles :10 LRC motor: 500% PF motor at starting : 0.2 Voltage: 3300kV, 3phase, 50Hz Full load amp: 458Amp temp rise:B Efficiency and pf: 95.5% and 80%at 100% I have calculated that it can work with using captive trafo 3500kV with detail below: Voltage: 13.8kV/3300kV Amp: 146.43/612.34 short circuit impedance: 4 Vector group: Dyn-11 This motor should be normal operated using STG 19MVA,13.8kV But within start up comm this captive trafo will be fed from backfed tranformer 10MVA,with detail data below: Voltage: 3450V/13.8kV Amp: 1673.48/418.37 short circuit impedance: 8%. Vector group: Dyn-11 This trandformer is also energized from temp trafo 3000kVA, with detail below: Voltage: 20000kV/3450kV Amp: 86.6/502.04 short circuit impedance: 7%. vector group: YNyn-6 The utility system is using 20kVA, with short circuit impedance 500MVA, Do you have any experience this scheme, and other advices will be welcome. Thank you, Athan activate javascript

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Re: Starting Large Motor 2MW with Captive Transformer Using Temporary Transformer

02/19/2015 11:48 AM

Sounds like you're trying to blackstart a generating station by stringing together a group of sources, but without a SLD and a relaying/control schematic it's tough to follow your logic. It would also help if you labeled each transformer/bus so that the interconnections are more apparent. This is not an exercise for amateurs.

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Re: Starting Large Motor 2MW with Captive Transformer Using Temporary Transformer

02/19/2015 4:57 PM

First of all the utility system has to supply 20 kV,of course [not 20 kVA] and a short-circuit apparent power of 500 MVA. Let's try an approximate calculation:

Let's take the base voltage 3.3 kV then we get Zsystem=0.02178 ohm; ZT3MVA=0.2541; ZT1MVA= 0.8712 and ZT3.5MVA= 0.1245 ohm. If we take Zm=3.3/sqrt(3)/(0.458*5)=0.831989 ohm then the start current in this configuration will be [approx.]=3.3/sqrt(3)/2.1035=0.9058kA.

The voltage drop [considering X=Z] DV=SQRT(3)*0.9058*1.2715*SQRT(1-0.2^2)=1.9545[59%].

If you could supply directly from the temporary transformer of 20/3.3 kV then the voltage drop

would be 24% and there is a chance of successful starting.

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Re: Starting Large Motor 2MW with Captive Transformer Using Temporary Transformer

02/20/2015 1:02 AM

Too complicated ...but can be started with soft starter...

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Re: Starting Large Motor 2MW with Captive Transformer Using Temporary Transformer

02/20/2015 11:23 AM

Thank you 7anoter4, and siva.ee06,

It is good option to make temp power cable from 3.45kV, 3MVA through the motor, for minimizing, the voltage drop.

Siva.ee06, as I explained, I am middle of commissioning phase, that could not again running using soft starter.

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