Refinery Strikes

I have been waiting for the "solar flare" excuse.

Do the people/entities feel guilty about manipulating the price of something we need?

I doubt it. The thing that gives any commodity value, is our need for it.

"Group-collusion" by monolopies?

I don't know which side of the AGW argument you are on, 70AARCuda, but this statement backs up my point that there's far more money in big oil than there is in the 'green' industry. Whether you truly believe there are monopolies in the oil industry or not, there's no doubt that the motivation behind price manipulation is probably the same motivation for obfuscating the climate change controversy...

Greed.

You are absolutely right about that. There are so many businesses, exchanges, and industries that do whatever they can to sway people to support their way of business. Their very existence is dependent on it.

Yes--The bogus Carbon Credit industry is at $ 180 Billion a year, and counting…..Where does that money go, and what does it do? I would like to see the "clearing costs", and the Transfer fees, and the Accounting fees, and the management fees, etc, for all that money….And I would like to see the beneficiaries….

Let the Union thugs walk, there are plenty of qualified maintenance workers that like to work hard and good. Most of the time harder than the Unioners. But that is just based on my personal observations of behavior and the stories of unioners abusing the work ethic with hiding, planning overtime, setting things up for maximum money in their own pocket instead of what is best for the company.

What they do not realize is that what is best for the company is actually best for them also.

What they do not realize is that what is best for the company is actually best for them also.

With the exception of maintenance issues..... Just ask BP about making a decision between maintenance and production can do.

I understand the perceptions driving the current sentiment's concerning unions, but I feel I must comment on my experience.

As a member of the OCAW (Oil, Chemical and Atomic Workers) we were in a meeting with management to address serious health issues when our union rep was interrupted to receive an urgent phone call. When he returned, visibly shaken, he informed us that a women named Karen Silkwood was dead and that he had been scheduled to meet with her later that day. We all agreed to adjourn the meeting so that the rep could catch the earliest flight out.

This was not a "story".

No one disagrees Union does not,... or did not have its place.

Because if it's not for oversight, such as unions. Silkwood will happen again, and it has.

Its hard to put it in a short clip, I'll try.

I believe that the union has extended their relevance to a point, that it's not the workers best interests they are looking after and in large part they (they being union management) only use that as a façade, but to keep the management organization strong no matter what it takes. Such as by getting into block political donations and basically protecting their own (union management) jobs. Unfortunately at the members expense.

"Its hard to put it in a short clip, I'll try." Indeed. I witnessed throughout my years as a member of various union organizations, a steady decline in participation by members. A parallel can be seen with politics in general.

For me, it is a long way from my Grandfathers efforts to try to convince management not to hire inexperienced high iron workers because he could not bare to see them bouncing of the structure as they fell.

He took a load of buckshot in the face upon the approach to a meeting with management. Not to say whether it was management, or some others with very early self serving anti-union sentiment.

"He took a load of buckshot in the face upon the approach to a meeting with management. Not to say whether it was management, or some others with very early self serving anti-union sentiment"

Unfortunately, both sides are just as bad. if on ones own union brother/sister

It's wise to tread lightly (or wisely), and to have an exit plan.

By the way, the people that were arrested, are still in jail, not so much that they were convicted, its because no one would finger the other. Some would proudly say, "Union Strong". but never in public.

The article, at least to me, appears to be incomplete, ending with "When a guard at the mill's security gate asked to search the bag, Mr. Kutska refused and kept going. The next day, he was suspended for five days without pay." Is there more to it?

Such a long time ago. Like I said, they were never really convicted, I believe they are being held in contempt.

It was plaster all over local and national news at the time. There is even a law named after Monfils. Books written about it.

I listed a few.

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All due to a theft of an extension cord, and a union brother turned him in.... a theft made by a common papermaker worker making 6 figures a year,.....over 20 years ago.

What a cluster, I am unclear on how someone would get a tape-recorded call to the police. This seems to put the onerous on the police department.

Anyway, workplace conditions are subject to influence such as the mutually accepted (plant and worker) profit sharing, whereby actions that would harm the company, would be reported, union or no union.

I beleive the call Monfils made was taped at the police station (a common procedure). Monfils pleaded that he wanted to remain anominous, because the guy he was dropping the dime on was a pretty tough character ...

But the union paper maker member (the tough character) called the public sector union buddy at the police station public. And he give the tape to the paper maker union caller.. Costed the city over 2,000,000 dollars in a law suit and Hence there now is a law, where when you ask to remain anouminous you will be.

Yep, when people talked about it in Green Bay, that talked in a whisper.

As far as your last sentence, you'd think that, but here was a guy making $100,000.00+ a year, about to get fired over the theft of a $45.00 extension cord. Him and 5 of his union brothers took care of the problem

A cluster is right....and this is still a short clip, but still longer than I like to go.... hope we aren't straying to far off