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Bubbles Can Be Bad for Your Fluids - and Your Bottom Line

Posted December 03, 2010 8:30 AM by Milo

Foaming can cost your precision machining shop money by causing loss of fluid, shorten pump life by cavitation, and reduce material removal efficiency by lowering heat removal and lubricity at the workpiece.

Here is one way (and two tests to prove) that too much air (as foam) can spoil your metalworking fluids.

Factors that can contribute to foaming in your metal cutting machines include makeup water hardness; fluid type; speed of machining operation; design and maintenance of filtration, return pipes, and sumps; pump parameters; and contaminants. Never underestimate the ability of a fluid in a machine to 'attract' contaminants!

Here are a couple tools you can use to evaluate foaming of your metalworking fluid.

Bottle test. Modeled after ASTM D3601, fill a bottle half full and shake at a steady rate for say 45 seconds or so. Stop shaking and immediately measure and record the height of the foam. Count the seconds (use a watch with a second hand) until the foam collapses to an acceptable level. No salt please! Addition of salt to reduce foam is acceptable at the beer garden, but never in the shop!

Blender Test. Using a blender to simulate your machining process is probably more likely to match your process than the 'arm-strong' method described above. This method is modeled after ASTM method D3519. Place a 200 milliliter sample of your fluid in the blender and agitate it at 8000 rpm - lid on blender is highly recommended - for 30 seconds. As in the bottle test, measure the foam height immediately after shut off, recording the seconds until the foam collapses to 10 mm in height. If it doesn't recede to below 10 mm by the end of 5 minutes, note the remaining height.

If you do these tests when you first install fluids, the initial reading will give you a performance benchmark to compare to later periodic tests. A large difference will give you an indication of whether you should adjust or discard your machining fluid.

We used a version of the blender test to troubleshoot some quenching oil in our laboratory when I was a lab supervisor. We were getting some really high hardness but sporadic readings on samples quenched at the furnace in one lab, but not the other. After we confirmed furnace temperatures at both labs, hardness tester calibration at both labs, and steel sample analysis we decided to test our quench oil. The oil at one lab reacted differently in our version of the blender test. Further work (and a separatory funnel) revealed water from a leaky roof had contaminated the quench oil at the main lab. Because the water was heavier than oil, it wasn't visible by other means.

It's not that we don't like bubbles.

But they really don't help us in our machines in the shop.

What have you done to keep control of the foaming of your machine's metalworking fluids?

Editor's Note: CR4 would like to thank Milo for sharing this blog entry, which originally appeared here.

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12/03/2010 10:37 PM

Love you snowflakes Milo. Being a control freak they even obey my orders and I like it. Where they bubbles, all would be good.

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12/04/2010 1:37 AM

we just got into a discussion on this very same idea.

but in a different "for instance".

in geology and study of glaciation, it was found thet bubbles under pressure in under-ground streams ,fed by glacier lake-reservoires,tore pathways through glaciers thet resulted in land-slides, shifts and hugh floods.

yes bubbles can be abraisive, really abrasive.

#2 discussion was on various fluids in the petro industry being pumped through at intervals...it works, but keep the pipe-line full.

great job, on yr simple explanation, to me i stared at what i deam a varification, just moments after leaving a geo-table. but perhaps off topic.

i do have a quierry though on the temperatures of various fluids flowing as where the outer temperatures are variable. simply if a length ofcopper tubing conducting a fluid was heated in one area and cooled in another, or the opposite; the pump or prime mover may have to handle these temp differences as well as surges-if there are any.

sorry if i have broken with topic, but you awoke an old project from years gone somewhere.

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12/04/2010 7:13 AM

Thanks for the Comment. No problem at all with discussing what it "inspired" for you. These are exactly the kind of connections that an online forum can nurture that the old days of library citations didn't.

Your second point sounds an awful lot to me like a "heat pipe." Here is the wiki to it, there are many other resources but this makes a good first stop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pipe

Your first point reminds me of a way to make compressed air in a stream by placing a bottomless box below a change in elevation. The box cavity captured the air entrained in the water, the water sealed the box bottom, and a fairly steady supply of very low pressure (and moist) air was available inside the box.

It was written up in Mother Earth News back in the days when my hair was longer than my bank statement... That would be the late 1970's. Thanks for sharing the geology link. Now if only i could think of what the heck they called that capturing of air in a chamber idea...

Thanks for the interesting comment.

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12/07/2010 1:13 PM

Milo, I think you can capture those bubbles in a trompe. The link goes to the M.E.N. article I believe you are thinking of... 1977, I was wearing my hair high and tight!

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12/07/2010 1:18 PM

THATS IT!

Ausgezeichnet!

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12/07/2010 1:39 PM

Bitte, was bedeutet 'Ausgezeichnet'?

Mein Deutsch ist alt. (I think that is right, anyway)

I recognized the trompe from your very complete and accurate description of the operation. Well done.

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12/07/2010 3:57 PM

Ausgezeichnet=award winning=signed off as well done=one with a bullet and so on.

Interesting concept. I have another way of getting rid of bubbles but this method would and should not be used in lubricating machining fluids so I'll leave it for another day.

Not much new under the sun, Ky.

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