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Cause for Concern in Canada?

Posted February 04, 2011 8:30 AM

Is one of the world's largest geologic carbon sequestration projects leaking? A study commissioned by private landowners alarmed by the carbon dioxide enhanced oil recovery project in Saskatchewan, Canada, showed gas collected near the soil surface had a chemical signature similar to that of injected CO2. Project scientists contend this evidence, based on a single data point, is flawed, and the gas measured could be biogenically produced. Bias in interpretation or possible leak?

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02/04/2011 11:31 AM

The scientists quoted in the article are very clear in pointing out the limitations and sources of error in the study, and its inadequacy to support the conclusion that the sequestered CO2 is leaking. Their suggestions for sampling methods to better address sources of error appear to be valid. The design of the private study was poor, and the company responsible should learn from the criticism and take steps to produce better work in the future. The question they were paid to answer, has not been answered yet.

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02/05/2011 1:37 AM

Nothing to see here folks, a few dead animals, around a watering hole. Rabbits, goats, birds. Fizzy water bubbling out of the ground, and a farm family evacuating the family farm in fear of losing their lives. Not as if people go camping in Weyburn. So no chance of people waking up dead after sleeping on the ground.

http://thetyee.ca/News/2011/01/19/CarbonStorage/ It says they are injecting 6000 tonnes per day into the ground (of CO2). That couldn't possibly be right, could it?

"around 18 million metric tons as of July 2010" according to scientific america.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/science/alleged-leaks-from-carbon-storage-project-questioned/article1869487/

Its carbon storage, not as if it is gas, or anything like gas, is it?

Oops , I farted. Good job it is not CO2, eh? 18 million metric tonnes.

How big is a tonne of CO2 anyway?

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02/05/2011 7:06 AM

I sympathize that these folks have a problem and the cause should be identified. But the figures for CO2 levels really don't support the argument this is the problem, according to the Globe and Mail. 2.3% doesn't compare with the levels known to be toxic elsewhere.

There are two more issues raised in the Globe and Mail article you linked: natural gas and toxic algae blooms. The toxic algae is an easy and relatively inexpensive thing to test. Collect a sample, is it toxic or not. This doesn't explain bubbling gases but would explain sudden animal deaths.

Natural gas is another matter. The geologists and others involved in monitoring the CO2 project should know whether this is a plausible effect of the project that should be investigated. Also what kind of threat it poses to animals, should be easily established since the fracking for natural gas has caused all kinds of contamination to drinking water in the areas it's being done. Again, I would assume that levels capable of causing death would be easily detected in a water sample!

Last word, when animals die suddenly, their bodies can be taken to environment canada or to a vet or farm regulatory body with the request to examine for the cause. This is the obvious approach to finding out the reason, in addition to testing the suspected pond.

If these steps were taken and no cause could be identified, then it might be reasonable to worry about sequestered CO2. The articles, however, suggest that causes other than CO2 were not examined. Maybe the megaproject loomed so large in their eyes, it was assumed to be the cause, and so the obvious steps to determine the cause objectively were overlooked??

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02/05/2011 12:57 PM

At 1 atmosphere and 0 C carbon dioxide has a density of about 2 g/L. A mole of CO2 (44 g/mol) occupies 22 liters, and there are 22,727 moles per tonne, so the volume is 500,000 liters, or 500,000,000 cubic centimeters, or an 8 meter cube (512 cubic meters). When injected it is in a supercritical state, and has a density of between 500 and 700 kg/m^3. That is 50-70% of the density of the displaced brine, so the CO2 is very buoyant and liable to escape.

In his testimony before Congress in 2008, Dr. Robert C. Burruss of the US Geological Survey warned of danger to drinking water from geological storage of CO2. He also pointed out that the lifetime emissions from a single 1 GW power plant (8 million tons of CO2 per year, over 50 years) would displace water equivalent to a giant oil field, or 4.1 billion barrels. Not a scalable solution at all.

The displaced brine (>100,000 ppm) is much too salty for reverse osmosis (it's even saltier than SWRO reject brine, which is classified as "industrial waste" by the EPA), so what do you do with it once it has been pumped out to make way for the carbon dioxide? Cramming supercritical CO2 at very high pressure underground is dangerous not only for the reason of potential CO2 plume eruptions like the Lake Nyos disaster, but also for displacement of brine and other stuff into the groundwater.

The sequestration idea has been condemned by petroleum engineering experts as "profoundly non-feasible." EOR experience is immaterial because sequestration in deep saline formations would be on a much larger scale and into a full tank, not an empty one.

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02/05/2011 6:55 PM

It's nice to see the background on this issue documented!!

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02/07/2011 12:04 PM

Wouldn't carbonating water just make it a more valuable commodity? I mean a bottle of water is expensive at the store, but a bottle of sparkling water...

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02/07/2011 12:54 PM

Dissolving supercritical CO2 into brine won't overcome the salinity problem. When all of that very salty water is pumped to the surface out of deep saline formations to make room for the CO2, the salt will have to be prevented from getting into the water supply.

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02/07/2011 1:00 PM

Well that's easy, place it in lined shallow reservoirs, like they do all over the world, and let the sun work on it for a while. Then harvest the salt, or let Morton do it. hyper-saline is good, takes less solar energy to remove the extra water.

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02/06/2011 10:33 PM

if it turns out to be true.....would they get a refund on their carbon credits?

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06/08/2011 11:21 PM

It is a leak. Many animals have been killed. Only a professional liar has any doubt that the containment has failed.

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