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Does Spraying Terrorists with Hidden Missile-Targeting Dust Make Sense?

Posted April 29, 2011 1:16 PM

From Gizmodo:

I love paying taxes! My money goes to great things like parks, and public libraries, and military projects that will doubtfully materialize anytime soon. Example: tiny flying drones that spray invisible terrorist-tracking fairy dust.

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04/29/2011 6:37 PM

I think we should spray Hornetson with the magic dust.

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05/01/2011 6:50 PM

Not actually as dumb as it first sounds, target recognition and tracking (especially targets moving in and out of crowds for example) can be difficult.

The problem is tagging the target (and ONLY the target) in the first place, which is even more difficult with anything with the words "air dispersal" attached to it!

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05/02/2011 11:30 AM

If you can find them to spray them, why not just vaporize them?

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05/02/2011 12:59 PM

What if you found them to target them in a very public area, say a NYC police station. Maybe you tag them there, and then they are easily tracked to a less public area for hmm, not sure what, since assassination is actually illegal, remember the baby boomers were so offended when they thought Nixon was having the CIA do that and outlawed assassinations (unless of course old age has made them re-think their former beliefs or maybe it is racial some ethnic groups are ok now, but communists or african muslims terrorists were not, who knows).

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05/02/2011 3:05 PM

One step closer to targeted munitions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_bullet

A bit like how they were portrayed in the classic movie "Runaway".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_%281984_film%29

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05/03/2011 2:37 AM

I thought they already had it sorted

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05/03/2011 3:49 PM

I don't count that famous incident for a number of reasons, mainly because it was so badly conceived and executed (in so many ways) that most fiction writers wouldn't have used it as a plot element in their stories because they feared the readers may not take them seriously.

Jack - <psst> the cold war is over, has been for a while. Didn't you get the secret memo?

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05/03/2011 8:33 PM

Hang on - you can't just introduce a new set of parameters, like "fiction writers" and "take them seriously"

Though I do admit that the OP and Gizmag journalists' take on the AF112-002 Aerial Distribution of Taggants, demonstrates fictionalization for 'knee-jerk sheep reaction' is way preferable to effort on technical or tactical comprehension

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06/08/2011 5:45 AM

This is a joke!

The coward terrorists have proven that they can, and will, hide among innocent civilians, or behind them. This isn't a targeting problem on our part.............the terrorists are cowards..........period.

Determine the value of a target(s), determine how much collateral damage is acceptable based on that value, and take them out. It won't take long for the civilians to figure out that aiding the bad guys is a losing proposition.........................yes, I think in many instances, the civilians know exactly who the terrorists are, and are willing participants in hiding/protecting them.

This makes as much sense as apprehending terrorists, reading them their Miranda rights, providing them with a taxpayer funded ACLU lawyer, and flying them to NYC for a civilian trial.

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06/08/2011 11:29 AM

I agree, we should just summarily execute that IMF guy, afterall he did terrorize americans (a hotel maid is american also). He is not an american, he used terror against americans, and he hid amongst civilians.

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06/08/2011 12:24 PM

If he declared war on us, called for our annihilation, and we had been at war with him for ten years, you are absolutely correct.

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06/08/2011 1:14 PM

Is a specific call for war required to be a terrorist?

I am unaware of a specific declaration of War against a terrorist group, maybe a country but that would be different.

The CFR defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives". It doesn't require any declaration of war or to annihilate someone, just a unlawful use of force against persons or property meant to intimidate or coerce. Accordingly, a rape of an individual american would constitute a unlawful use of force against a person to coerce for his social objective. Hmm, actually a union strike could constitute terrorism (as there is frequently force used by the unions).

Also, I am not sure that there is any requirement for a length of time over which a declared war must have been active for someone to be classified as a terrorist. What is the relevence of the time, do we have to allow specifically 10 years before we can decide they are terrorists? so one act of could not constitute terrorism and thus the persons involved might not be terrorists?

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06/08/2011 1:35 PM

I don't feel like getting into an argument with you. Apparently, you do not understand the word, "terrorist", as it is being used within the context of this blog..............................which is what my post was referring to.

Read the blog article. You'll find that it has nothing to do with rapists or unions. It's about killing terrorists. Contact the blog owner directly if you would like to refute, or are confused by, his reference to terrorists. I'm very clear on what the blog is about, so there's no need for me to argue.

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06/08/2011 1:55 PM

Maybe so, could you provide the definition of terrorist as you understand it, because I do not see any definition at all in his reference.

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06/08/2011 2:20 PM

Sure. Glad to help. This article pretty much sums up my definition of the terrorists we are currently dealing with, and I believe the people that the blog is referring to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

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06/08/2011 5:06 PM

Hmm, well I did not see anything in the blog this technology being restricted solely to islamic terrorists. I suspect you are letting some personal bias, and possibly some degree of ignorance about the groups the US is involved in eliminating, influence your interpretation of the post. No where in the original post did i see them restrict the term terrorist to islamic groups only. However, beyond that you expressed an idea that the rule of law should not be applied in response to terrorists, but it now appears you are only restricting that to a specific religious belief. I suspect making a group criminal based restrictively on religious beliefs might violate the constitution.

Also, your comment makes me wonder about FARC or the Shining Path, since they obviously would not be construed as terrorist organizations, let alone one of the worst in history (which still exists) the IRA. What of Timothy McVeigh, his actions are defined as the second deadliest act of terrorist in the US, but of course he could not be a terrorist. To the best of my knowledge he wasn't an islamic fundamentalist.

Do you really believe the government will restrict any technologies or policies to solely "fundamentalist islamic terrorism" if it is defined as an application under a term like terrorism in general. Bear in mind the British government tried to use terrorist laws against the government of Iceland recently, until the public there found out what they were doing (Brits take a more active role than americans in their political system). I am sure there are cases where the US government has used terrorist laws against american citizen of interest, the question is just whether the interest was because of a real threat or just to obtain some political/financial gains/leverage. Hmm, maybe J Edgar Hoover was really just ahead of his time.

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