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Oil, Auto Clash on Future of Fuel

Posted April 19, 2007 8:45 AM

From detnews.com - Autos Insider:

DETROIT -- Moments after a top Environmental Protection Agency official called on automakers and oil companies to work more closely together to cut emissions and improve fuel economy, representatives from both industries widely disagreed on the means by which to reach those goals. "The most effective way to lower carbon levels is to take a system approach. Improvement can be made to both the fuel and the engine," said Margo Oge, director of the EPA's Office of Transportation and Air Quality. She spoke Wednesday at a panel discussion regarding polices and issues surrounding future fuel choices at the SAE World Congress held at Cobo Center.

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Re: Oil, Auto Clash on Future of Fuel

04/20/2007 6:31 AM

No no no no...that can't be right! I'd expect the 2 parties to get on like a house on fire!

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Re: Oil, Auto Clash on Future of Fuel

04/20/2007 7:28 AM

Just watched the Discovery channel the other night on alternative fuels and it was an eye opener! All around the world people are working on anything that can cut our dependecy on oil. Even here in the USA (if you can believe that). Norway is leading the pack with Hydrogen run automobiles. They have even built a highway from Oslo to another town @ 400 miles long that is designated for Hydrogen run cars, simply because that's the only fuel available at stations along it. now they are downsizing the equipment to the size of a refrigerator so that they can be placed anywhere. As you start to fill your car the machine starts making the Hydrogen as needed-simply amazing to see these cars running along this road with barely any emissions and NO FOREIGN OIL. The USA (oil companies) want ever let this country get to this level (regardless of the alternatives) simply because there's to much MONEY to be made with Foreign oil.

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04/20/2007 11:04 AM

Sometime back in the dawn of history, actually the late 70's there was a developer who built a hydrogen powered group of houses in Utah. The houses came with hydrogen generators and new Cadillacs which were also powered by hydrogen. The Cadillacs had high pressure iron hydride filled cylinders in the trunk space. These "gas tanks" and were fueled from the home hydrogen generation system. The cars were reported to have a 70 mile range which was sufficient to go shopping in the community. The one discovery the developer made was the addition of steel wool type "muffins" placed in the burners of the hydrogen gas burning stoves so you could see if the burner was on. The hydrogen flame is nearly invisible so the red hot glow of the steel wool "muffin" alerted a user the burner was operating. I can't recall but I think it was either Popular Mechanics or Popular Science magazine which published this article. It would be an interesting read just to see where the pioneers trod.

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04/21/2007 3:20 PM

HI Tae !

Maby some one could look at there libraries & try to find the articles In Popular Mechanics OR Popular Science. Maby the publicher has a list of back issues.

interesting look at yesterday in print !

thanks goldrushnugget999

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Re: Oil, Auto Clash on Future of Fuel

07/19/2007 1:27 AM

HI ALL !

A new chemical discovery happened last week, the complete process was completed for fructose and it produces a biogas that is 40 percent more powerful than ethanol.

this is a big breakthrough in biofuel, this means that any one could make biogas in there backyard & there are no pollutants so the door is open for a no oil country.

i hope the process is not locked up by some big oil company and we can't use it to produce cheep fuel for our cars and home heating ! cr4 now is the time to get busy and get that formula before it's lost to big oil.

thanks

goldrushnugget999

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Re: Oil, Auto Clash on Future of Fuel

07/27/2007 3:35 AM

hi all !

no comments for a week ! where's all the engineers to talk about fructose biogas ?

THANKS

goldrushnugget999

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Re: Oil, Auto Clash on Future of Fuel

07/31/2007 1:10 AM

HI ALL !

IN THE www.connpost.com the Connecticut post on Friday July 27 page A11 the headline is "ETHANOL HAS BECOME JUST MORE POLITICAL PORK" this article goes over the tax incentives & political wrangling to get there business the tax breaks & penalize those that don't. it also states all those ethanol plants that will be on line next summer and that may force the prices down due to competition. ALL SHOULD READ THIS TO SEE THE PROGRESS THE NEW ETHONAL PLANTS ASE MAKING.

THANKS

goldrushnugget999

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