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New Titanium-Making Process

Posted March 02, 2015 8:17 AM by Bayes

Recently I posted an article about a new Steel Alloy stronger than Titanium. It looks like there's been an advancement in the processing of titanium that should reduce its cost and make it available for new markets. So here's my second recommended article in my unexpected series: Steel vs. Titanium: The Future of Cheap, Light, and Strong.

New Titanium-Making Process Could Result in Lighter Aircraft

A new process for producing titanium-a metal that's increasingly used in aircraft to reduce weight and fuel consumption-is significantly cheaper and less energy-intensive than conventional methods. The technique could lead to titanium being used to reduce the weight of cars, helping automakers meet tightening fuel economy regulations. Titanium normally takes a significant amount of energy to make. The conventional method, called the Kroll process, involves multiple steps requiring very high temperatures.

The new process, being developed by SRI International, takes fewer steps, uses less energy, and produces titanium powder, rather than ingots. The powder can be pressed and fused into something that's very close to the shape of the final product, which reduces the amount of machining required. SRI's process uses plasma arcs to facilitate reactions between molecules of hydrogen and titanium chloride, a chemical produced from titanium ore. "Arcs, like lightning bolts, crack the hydrogen, producing atomic hydrogen that can readily react," says Barbara Heydorn, senior director of the Energy Center at SRI. The reactions produce titanium vapor that quickly solidifies and forms titanium powder.

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03/02/2015 10:48 AM

It still comes down to supply, which I believe Russia has or at least did have at one time.

But there is speculation in Paraguay.

bUT THIS PROCESS IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD. ..... just noticed my caps were on...... must have been excited.

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03/02/2015 1:54 PM

What is the abrasion resistance for this material as compared to hi-chrome iron or ni hard? Could this be utilized for pump impellers?

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03/03/2015 6:26 AM

Titanium is rarely used in it's pure state except as a chemical catalyst. It is alloyed with small % other metals to change it's properties. Commercially it is sold in Grades 1 to 5 with 1 being the softest and 5 the hardest. Grades 1 & 2 machine much like stainless steels (with a few changes of speed, tool angle and cooling). Grade 1 is also quite malleable, I use an English Wheel and pneumatic Planishing Hammer to stretch and shape 1mm sheet titanium when making metal sculpture. It will also anodize to a wide range of colors dependent on the anodizing voltage so color deposition is much easier to control than heat anodizing. It does not transmit heat well so the harder grades build up heat rapidly and cause tooling to wear very fast. Additive manufacturing does a lot to get round this problem and this new manufacturing method produces powder in the form needed for laser sintering of titanium. It can be produced with properties to beat most steels and resists corrosion well at low temperature, but at high temperature it is prone to chemical attack. This can cause problems when welding so you need to pay close attention to the inert gas shielding or the welds become very brittle. As for pump impellers. Grade 5 will resist abrasion very well but the high machining costs for that grade would make it unecconomic at present.

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03/03/2015 5:16 PM

The hardened high chrome impellers I deal with are machined by grinding, Some applications require stainless steel at the sacrifice of wear/abrasion resistance. That is why I asked.

There was mention of laser assisted machining here in the past, could this be applied to these titanium materials?

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I think that normal grinding would be unsuitable for titanium. It generates too much heat and in a standard atmosphere the titanium would grab oxygen from the air and turn into a mixture of titanium monoxide and dioxide. That is the white power used as the pigment in white emulsion paint. Grinding in an inert atmosphere may be possible but I don't know how titanium would react with the abrasive medium. By laser assisted machining you are probably referring to laser sintering. For this you create a virtual model of what you want to make and cut it into thin virtual slices the way you would if you were 3D printing. The part is made in an enclosed cooled space filled with nitrogen. Spread a thin layer of titanium powder over the whole area and feed data from the lowest slice into an X-Y driver that carries a laser. The laser melts the powder into a solid layer to coincide with solid areas in the virtual model. Now spread a second layer and melt this onto the first one. Continue building up in layers until you have the completed part. You end up with a part submerged in all the layers of titanium powder that wasn't melted. All that spare powder is then sucked out and recycled. To stop the first layer melting into the base of the enclosure you would normally build the part onto legs that get welded (melted) onto a false titanium base of the enclosure. The whole process takes a long time so is very expensive. Typically about double the cost of a 10-40 hour continuous operation on a CNC machining center depending on the size of the part. Now add the cost of cutting off the legs and machining where they were attached and the cost of the powder at about 3/5 times the price of stainless steel depending on the grade. The thinner the slices the less post machining required but the longer it takes to build the model so the process is usually run at a lowest overall cost compromise. Once commercialized the new manufacturing method described by the OP is going to drop the raw materials price but that only represents a small proportion of manufacturing a component using sintering. Despite all the recent hype, we are still a long way from knocking out car parts in bulk.

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03/04/2015 11:32 AM

Laser assisted machining to mean a laser beam directed at the material just ahead of the tool bit to change properties.

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That would heat up the workpiece which is the last thing you want to do. When machining titanium you want to keep the workpiece and tool as cool as possible.

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03/05/2015 9:05 AM

What material is being machined in the photograph you put up? Is that actually titanium? Are you sure the laser is ahead of the cutting tool, or behind to anneal and smooth the surface thus previously cut?

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03/05/2015 9:13 AM

That particular work piece is ceramic, but if you Google "laser assisted machining",you will see that this process is intended for materials that are difficult to machine. From what I understand, the heating is very localized and can be controlled.

The laser leads the tool bit.

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03/02/2015 11:34 PM

As a cyclist I can't help but think how this would apply to bicycles. Maybe it would make titanium competitive in price to carbon fiber (or bamboo).

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03/03/2015 12:21 PM

Since this process works OK for Titanium production, I wonder what it does to Magnesium chloride? One of the proposed "new" economies (by researchers at Japan Institute of Technology), is the magnesium economy. Magnesium is abundant.

Magnesium also produces hydrogen when exposed to steam, and the reaction can be "snow-balled" to produce even more steam. The steam can be used with prime movers, engines of all sorts.

The trick has been recycling the MgO back to Mg and O2. If we break it down, and convert the MgO to MgCl2 first, then perhaps hydrogen atom reagent could take away HCL, and leave Mg metal behind. If that works, then the high output power continuous wave solar-pumped Nd:Cr:YAG laser (HELIOS) is no longer necessary.

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