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Perpetual Motion Firm Steorn Finally Goes Under

Posted December 02, 2016 8:43 AM by Hannes
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Last month, Irish tech startup Steorn permanently shut its doors. Steorn operated as an unsuccessful e-commerce developer from 2000 until 2006, when it announced the development of Orbo, a magnetic battery technology that provided “free, clean, and constant energy,” and rebranded itself as a tech development firm.

Its history since that time is nothing short of bizarre publicity stunts. Steorn never publicly disclosed Orbo’s tech, if it ever existed, and its founder Shaun McCarthy scheduled and canceled a public demonstration in London, claiming the venue’s lights were too hot. McCarthy defended Orbo by frequently referring to the first law of thermodynamics—which his product apparently violated— as mere “scientific dogma” and went as far as recruiting a group of scientists to prove him right (they didn’t). As recently as 2015 they were accepting email orders for a €1,200 Orbo product that did nothing but demonstrate the technology. For reasons P.T. Barnum knows well, Steorn was able to raise €23 million in private funding since 2006 using almost nothing but unfounded claims and hype.

Perpetual motion devices have captured the fancy of many an inventor despite modern science’s belief that they’re impossible to construct. Notable attempts at constructing a machine include the 12th-century Bhaskara’s mercury-filled wheel, Bessler’s wheel, and Robert Fludd’s water screw, none of which quite worked. On the stranger side, more recent “inventor” David Hamel claimed extraterrestrials sent him plans to build a free energy machine, and that he successfully constructed it but it unexpectedly flew away. Most attempts were disproven at best, while at worst their builders were convicted of fraud due to behind-the-scenes manipulation.

At some point in Steorn’s history McCarthy realized that his product—if it ever worked— went against many scientific theories, but he resolved to try and license his product anyway. That’d be near-impossible in the US, as perpetual motion machines are the only patent applications needing a working physical model along with the design. They usually fall under the so-called utility rejection: if your design doesn’t do what you say it does, you won’t get a patent. Perpetual motion machines were also included on the office’s sensitive application warning system (SAWS) list until the patent office discontinued it last year. Applications entered SAWS—basically a method to flag weird or controversial inventions—when they proposed things like room-temperature superconductors, cures for “incurable” diseases, age extension formulas and suicide machines.

Science periodically revises itself, and there’ve been a few notable patent cases when “impossible” inventions suddenly became possible. Hair regrowth formulas, for example, were once roundly dismissed as impossible; after that point the burden of proof for any invention shifts to the inventor to demonstrate that it is possible. Eventually inventors were able to provide sufficient proof that their concoctions caused a little hair regrowth, so the patent office overturned the rejections and reconsidered the patents. A visit to YouTube finds a healthy smattering of videos claiming to demonstrate perpetual motion, and an equal smattering of commenters believing them to be true on the grounds of “science isn’t infallible.” And they’re right about that, even if the videos they’re choosing to believe are almost certainly hoaxes.

Hair regrowth patents are one thing, but as far as patenting perpetual motion, we’re just not there (yet).

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12/02/2016 9:07 AM

Pandering to the naive and outright crazy is big business....There are a lot of people that believe business and ethics don't go hand-in-hand but that making money by anything you can get away with is expected and regular business practice....I am always appalled when I come across these type people, but see how difficult it is to legally punish these types.....they always have a lawyer advising them as to disclaimers and fine print sketchy advertising claims...So I always find the best approach is public disclosure of these practices on the company's web blog site or anyplace they are operating...Challenging them to show proof and harassing them until they admit they can't....This Steorn company is just such a company...the principals should all be jailed and fined for every penny they took....

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12/02/2016 9:44 AM

The equation changes depending on whether you want or expect repeat customers. If you want repeat customers, you won't be in business long if you are dishonest whereas the shyster keeps moving on seeking out new suckers. It's sad that the public's degree of science education is such that there seems to be a steady supply of suckers.

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12/02/2016 12:05 PM

Thanks, that's a fascinating site.

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12/03/2016 3:35 PM

When what you say has no legitamacy, but you say it because you want something that you believe is good, (or will make you money) truth has no place at the table. See Donald Trump.

The travesty is that most people are uninspired to think. To someone who is fascinated by the world and science, perpetual motion schemes are anti social and offensive. But as we now know, being ignorant, anti social and willing to disreagard science does not matter to most people. We are pretty shafted.

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12/03/2016 7:06 PM

Production of useful work is limited by the laws of thermodynamics, but the production of useless work seems to be unlimited.
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12/03/2016 8:10 PM

I will mourn his passing for... oops, gotta go!

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12/04/2016 1:34 PM

Steorn was able to raise €23 million in private funding since 2006 using almost nothing but unfounded claims and hype

The sad thing is these scam artists have got away with millions scott-free with nothing to offer. Money that could have been spent actually achieving something positive now lines the pockets of a few.

I have been following this from the start and even I am shocked at how successful this was. I thought it was quite funny at the start, I am not laughing now.

This scam sadly is a 110% total success for the scammers. Got the money for development, didn't use it for development (lets be honest here, this scam was planned from the very start), buggered off with all the money.

Will we never learn from our mistakes.

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12/04/2016 5:17 PM

Well we all know he is good at the bluff.

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12/04/2016 4:59 PM

America's president elect has lived his entire life based on nothing but unfounded claims and hype.

And his father's money.

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12/04/2016 5:16 PM

He's been what, officially bankrupt twice now. The money he started with is long gone, so I got to give him some credit there.

Still don't like him as a person, and was personally seriously pi$$ed off when I learn't recently how much it is going to cost the American tax payer to protect his family in New York. So much you can do for the American public with those hundreds of millions of dollars.

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12/04/2016 6:05 PM

Bankruptcy No. 1: The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991

Bankruptcy No. 2: Trump Castle, 1992

Bankruptcy No. 3: Trump Plaza and Casino, 1992

Bankruptcy No. 4: Plaza Hotel, 1992

Bankruptcy No. 5: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004

Bankruptcy No. 6: Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009

His investors lost many billions, while the yellow cheeto walked away smiling.

He has no conscience.

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