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Miniature V8 Engine Creations (Running)

Posted October 17, 2006 11:10 AM by stilljester
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Thought this was very cool and a great example of some high quality craftsmanship.

Mini V8 Engines

Video Quality gets better with the second engine

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10/18/2006 1:36 AM

Way cool!

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10/18/2006 2:01 PM

My thoughts exactly

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05/08/2010 9:44 AM

where could i get one of those let me know my email is leadfootmike70@yahoo.com

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10/18/2006 5:03 AM

Extremely good workmanship and well done.

Some years back, during the 1980s I think, when the Formula-1 powers to be were trying to get rid of turbo charges they were making 1.5 liter V8 and V10 engines. These heavily boosted engines were pumping out something like 800 Hp (600 KW) and were only slightly bigger than this one. I havn't been able to find an example on the internet but someone else may know a link.

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10/18/2006 2:08 PM

Are you thinking of the 1.5L BMW Engine

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10/19/2006 3:19 PM

was the bmw engine the 4 cylinder block out of the bmw 2002 i read a report tht they used secondhand blocks thet had been left outside to weather also the engineers doused the block in a human liquid??? it was the most powerfull gp engine ever built it developed 1500 bhp and won a gp at one week old

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10/20/2006 10:38 AM

I'm not sure how much of that is urban legend but yes it was the "same" 4 cylinder block BMW used in there consumer cars. I believe it took 5 GP races before the Picquet claimed his first victory.

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10/19/2006 7:35 PM

Does anyone have any more data??, this 'Lights my Fire!'. I remember just a wee bit, from somewhere in my earlier life about these engines. Guess I was in V.N. and other things were more on my mind. The specs must be mind numbing. The details as well.

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10/20/2006 10:43 AM

Here you go:

BMW World

"The now infamous BMW 1.5 liter formule 1 turbo engine was able to develop 6.4 bar of boost giving something in the region of 1200 (!) bhp at 9000 rpm. In short, turbos provide plenty of of opportunities. "

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10/20/2006 11:19 AM

When you start talking 6,400 Hpa boost you've got to ask whether its worth having an engine at all but rather running the thing off the turbocharger. After all a turbo charger by itself can be thought of as a gas turbine and you can get one of them going with as little as a 3 to 1 compression ratio. Kind of makes you think there going about it in the wrong way doesn't it.

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10/26/2006 2:26 PM

Now these sure beat the original plastice "V-8" models! Great work! A marvel and appreciation of skill, patience and craftsmanship! Mint Condition

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12/01/2006 9:59 AM

In the late forties a BRM GP engine of 1.5 litres was built inspired by the Rolls Royce merlin engine, it consisted two mini 750cc V8's back to back with a central power take off, it was supercharged by a centrifugal blower at 5.0 bar ran on alcohol with a compression ratio of 5.0 to 1.

The designed output was 750 BHP but only 550 was ever produced, as a race engine it was a disaster with useful output between about 8000 rpm and a rev limit of 10500 and seldom finished a race and normally had to be detuned to 400 BHP

There is one car still in running order but it is run without supercharger today.

One of the best miniature engines ever built must be this 1/8 scale model merlin

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3819/is_200209/ai_n9118553

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12/04/2006 7:58 AM

Very cool and thanks for adding it to the list.

You might find this interesting as well...

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12/04/2006 12:44 PM

I saw this surviving car running at an olde worlde car show at Goodwood about four years ago, it was a very disappointing experience I used to watch these cars driven by the likes of Moss and Fangio when the supercharged engines howled like air raid sirens.

This one pottered round developing about 100 BHP at the most it is same as when watches Spitfires and Meserschmitts at vintage air shows, I remember the 'battle of Britain' when the pilots did not care a damm about wrecking engines their only concern was to kill each other! but now their only concern is to spare their aged aircraft.

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12/05/2006 7:47 AM

I'm jealous I'd love to hear one even if it wasn't supercharged in person.

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05/30/2007 9:17 AM

Syhprum wrote:

I saw this surviving car running at an olde worlde car show at Goodwood about four years ago, it was a very disappointing experience I used to watch these cars driven by the likes of Moss and Fangio when the supercharged engines howled like air raid sirens.

This one pottered round developing about 100 BHP at the most it is same as when watches Spitfires and Meserschmitts at vintage air shows, I remember the 'battle of Britain' when the pilots did not care a damm about wrecking engines their only concern was to kill each other! but now their only concern is to spare their aged aircraft.

Mate,

The cost of keeping these vintage engines and machines running is huge. I would suggest that you were very lucky to hear them "rung out" to full power but don't deny the rest of us the oportunity to hear them run. The owners would be mad to destroy these gems just to let you hear them at their full potential. You could always close your eyes and remember them! I certainly wouldn't destroy my babies just so you could get your jollies.

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05/30/2007 10:36 AM

I realise how lucky I was to see these machines running to full capacity and I realise they must be treated with care to preserve them.

We still have the chance to see modern F.1 cars running to full capacity (almost) but even now there is this crazy two race rule.

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How strange the parachutist's,s look at vintage air shows with their aerofoils instead of proper umbrella type chutes

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10/15/2007 7:51 PM

The GrandFather of all small V-8's was Moto Guzzi's 500cc, four-stroke, water cooled, twin double overhead camshaft, 12,000 rpm roadracing V8, which mounted eight carburetors, eight ignition coils and eight exhaust pipes mounted in their GP Motorcycle. Concieved and built in 1954 and raced through 1957!

When you look at the Moto Guzzi and the minature V-8's that Ken Hurst made, (what started this thread,) You have to think and conclude: the human will for creation and achievement can be one of the most powerful things in the world.

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02/13/2007 11:22 PM

check out this miniature engine!

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2001/04/02_engin.html

It may not be rated in bhp, but its none the less, cool!

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02/14/2007 3:28 AM

A nice link, you may find this interesting.

A team at MIT have taken the idea of miniaturization from the sublime to the ridiculous with the production of a micro gas turbine. The engine is the little black spec in the palm of the developers hand.

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02/14/2007 7:53 AM

Very cool & that's from 2001??

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02/20/2007 12:23 PM

Do you know where to get one of these engines.

I want to put one in a golf cart.

(408) 568 8816

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07/04/2007 10:05 AM

Did you ever manage to get hold of one of these engines? I'd love one but dont reckon I could afford one

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03/01/2007 3:14 AM

Very nice engines!

Would it be possible to lend the blueprints of it? i would like to create one of my own, since it would be a great project for education (finished CNC operator, now on higher technical education)

please reply to lauritz.reve(at)gmail.com

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03/29/2007 8:54 PM

Please let me know where i can get one.I will buy one at any price. Please let me know is they are available for sale. Ricthe4th@aol.com
And also, to they have a shaft coming out of the back of it?

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05/21/2007 5:51 PM

I seriously want that! I could just run it all day, and bug the daylights outta my brother and parents. XD

I'd like to have one of the Mini dragster engines, and run it to enough of a mixture of nitro, and have it let rip outside, but it'd probably bug the neighbors.

>_>

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Maybe put it in a mini dragster, and let it loose on the mini quarter mile.

Heh... But I would just stick to bugging the folks. What are they made of?

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06/12/2007 6:45 AM

A wonderful achievment but to what end ?, surely with the the same amount of effort he could have built a 1:1 version and then have something he could drive!

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09/25/2007 6:16 PM

wer cud i gt 1 of these

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09/25/2007 6:19 PM

wer can i gt one of these can u reply back 2 mi email

v8crazy_7@hotmail.com

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09/26/2007 4:27 AM

I'm in the process of building a 1:8 scale model of the de Havilland DH-98 Mosquito. I wonder if I could convince this guy to build me two 1:8 scale models of the V12 27 Liter Rolls Royce Merlin engines. Mind you they would need to be mirror images as on the Mosquito the engines rotated in opposite directions to counteract the problems of prop wash flitting the thing over.

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02/29/2008 6:36 PM

sorry to contradict you but the mosquito engines did not rotate in opposite directions. You are probably confusing this with the De Haviland Hornet which was powered by a Rolls Royce Merlin 130 on the port side and a Rolls Royce Merlin 131 on the starboard side which rotated in opposite directions to counter torque.

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03/03/2008 8:03 AM

According to much of the documentation I have read the Mosquito also had counter rotating props, but further investigation revealed that the difference between the Merlin 76/77 engines in the Mosquito was the fitting of a cabin pressurization compressor on the 77 models.

As you correctly state the 130/131 were counter rotating versions and the counter rotation was achieved by inserting an extra idler gear in the gearbox so the engines were really rotating in the same direction while the props were rotating in opposite directions.

Having said all that, I have a sneaking suspicion that at least some of the Mosquitoes that were constructed in Australia were fitted with counter rotating props but I have nothing that confirms this. If I get the chance over the next few days I will try and dig up some photographs that might help.

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10/15/2007 7:15 PM

This guy has to be one of the best machinists in the world!

Just think of how complicated it is to design and machine a miniature camshaft.

It boggles my mind that he has done more than one of them.

I vote him as the Number One Gearhead!

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12/01/2007 10:53 PM

http://www.weberprecision.com/
this is the guy that built it

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12/04/2007 5:07 AM

Have you checked out his workshop by following the links on his site?

I've seen operating theaters that aren't as clean and tidy as this workshop. I wonder if he suffers from some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder that forces him to keep everything immaculately clean and tidy?

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how do i build one like that so i can put it in a studm truck rc that is

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05/23/2008 2:08 PM

Hello, Have you seen this V8 CO2 engine from switzerland??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvRMNJnFSMQ 5cm3 - 0.301 C.I. - 0.27 horsepower

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05/24/2008 7:01 AM

G'day guest,

Thanks for the link it's definitely a very interesting motor. However it's really not an internal combustion engine as it's only using the energy stored in the compressed CO2 rather than burning a fuel so it more closely resembles a steam engine or those experimental vehicles that run on compressed air.

I'm in the process of building a flying replica of the de Havilland DH98 Mosquito and it has the technology has the potential to provide a more realistic power plants than the currently idea of brushless DC motors. The system already has a compressed air storage tank that is used to operate things like the undercarriage and bomb bay doors so it would only mean upgrading that to use something like compressed CO2, N2 or some other relatively inert gas.

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05/27/2008 7:30 AM

Unfortunatly compressed gas in a container light enough to be carried by a model aircraft will store very little power, some military vehicles use highly compressed helium in a very hi tech gas bottle but such a thing is well beyond the resources of the most wealthy amatuer.

Your best bet is either an internal combustion engine or perhaps a steam engine but stored compressed gas is really a no go

When I was in school in the fourties and did not have the resourses to build decent IC engines some very low performance models were built running on compressed air but were very poor by todays standards.

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05/28/2008 7:19 AM

G'day syhprum,

So far the calculations I have done seem to confirm exactly that, however, there have been some pretty big advances recently especially in the field of fiber reinforced polymers in the construction of extremely light weight high pressure tanks. Even so the safety of storing that much energy in a compressed gas is a very serious problem.

At the moment the best solution is the use of brushless DC motors (there really stepper motors under a new name) powered by LiIon batteries. They have a much better power to weight performance than IC engines and are dramatically smaller so they can fit into the airframe without having to have bloody great holes for the exhaust and cylinders.

The concept with the Mosquito is to stick pretty closely to the real methods of construction. Basically it was a laminated composite structure of balsa and ply wood that was laid up in concrete moulds which is pretty much the way most traditional hand built flying models are constructed.

Anyway, all my projects are currently on hold till my new workshop is finished which will hopefully be in the next month or two. If you're interested I will be posting regular updates on the project on my CR4 blog MASU on Mozzies as soon as I get things going again.

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05/25/2008 2:19 PM

i need to build a nitro motor v8 how do i biuld it out of alum

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How can I purchase one of these engines; please email back a eplaitnumfigures2003@yahoo.com

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hi l am a turk my name is amat where ishe building and buying a v8 engines ? thanks

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can u email me evry thing u did and how to make one and everything i will need plse at thomasharlan2@gmail.com

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Although I can well see the need to use many abreviations when typing your message on the small keyboard of a mobile phone I see no need to do it when using a normal computer keyboard.

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09/05/2009 10:39 PM

how do you buy

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01/29/2010 9:59 PM

Do you have one that i could purchase from you

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where could i get one of those mini engine's let me know my email is leadfootmike70@yahoo.com

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