Alternative & Renewable Energy Blog Blog

Alternative & Renewable Energy Blog

The Alternative & Renewable Energy Blog is the place for conversation and discussion about solar power; fuel cells and hydrogen cells; biofuels such as ethanol; wind, water and geothermal energy; and anything else related to renewable power generation. Here, you'll find everything from application ideas, to news and industry trends, to hot topics and cutting edge innovations.

Previous in Blog: Urban Turbine Runs Quiet   Next in Blog: Color Conversion for Better Efficiency
Close
Close
Close
7 comments
Rate Comments: Nested

Turbines Turn with the Tides

Posted November 12, 2006 4:00 PM

Most tidal energy power schemes involve building very expensive barrages across water channels such as estuaries. Following a different route reported in The Engineer Online, Swanturbines is developing a tidal turbine for mounting on the sea bed, which operates just like a wind turbine, but under water and driven by the tide.

Reply

Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Engineering Fields - Aerospace Engineering - Retired South Africa - Member - The Rainbow-nation Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Relativity & Cosmology Popular Science - Cosmology - The Big Picture!

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
Posts: 3804
Good Answers: 69
#1

Re: Turbines Turn with the Tides

11/13/2006 5:01 AM

If Swanturbines can make this work reliably, it will be good progress, 'clean' and simple. The energy 'wasted' every day by the ocean's tidal movement is enormous, but since it is spread all over the globe, it is difficult to 'harvest' economically. So we need the simplest that technology can offer.

__________________
"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge." -- Kahlil Gibran
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Etats Unis
Posts: 1871
Good Answers: 45
#4
In reply to #1

Re: Turbines Turn with the Tides

11/13/2006 8:34 PM

Maybe we are going in the wrong direction. Imagine a floating platform with a generating station aboard. A cable on a spooling device linked to the generator with the cable end anchored to the ocean floor. Since the tides cause primarily a rising and falling of water level, when the tide rises it generates power. Granted it's not much movement but if you displace enough water with the vessel the torque would be tremendous. Also, it would only work from low to high tide but I thought it was a different way to look at the problem and perhaps with fewer complications??

__________________
The hardest thing to overcome, is not knowing that you don't know.
Reply
Commentator
Fans of Old Computers - Commodore 64 - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: North of Hell South of Heaven and moving.
Posts: 76
#2

Re: Turbines Turn with the Tides

11/13/2006 11:21 AM

As I understand it there is a rather sizeable sea current off the eastern coast of the USA and western coast of Great Britain. Could something like this be placed out on a sea shelf? Perhaps in a river channel as it flows into the sea? The wind may or may not blow, but water is nearly always in motion.

__________________
Reality to one by defintion is illusion to another by defintion. J. Walborn
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 840
#3

Re: Turbines Turn with the Tides

11/13/2006 11:54 AM

Very Cool Project, In 1990 at the International Arts Festival known as Glastonbury Pop Fest, (I was put in charge by Michaie Eavis, he trusted me to collect all the ring-pulls that stuck in his cattle's hooves, we used the secretarial staff to ensure ring-pulls stayed on the can..blah another tale!) There was an exhibitor in the Green Field where all things 'Eco' were demonstrated; This exhibit was a 'SeeSaw' contraption that had what looked like short Aircraft Wings...It merrily oscilated in the slightest breeze, but the 'Inventor'? explaned it was intended for under the sea, so as to overcome the problem of stray 'fishing nets' flotsom etc. entangling a turbine blade. I have forgotten how the 'power' was intended to be harvested. There would be many options.

__________________
"Neither man nor woman can be worth anything until they have discovered that they are fools. The sooner the discovery is made the better, as there is more time and power for taking advantage of it." William Lamb
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 840
#5
In reply to #3

Re: Turbines Turn with the Tides

11/14/2006 7:30 AM

Sorry MichaEL!....If you see an old 'market' pair of weighing scales, i.e. 'parallelogram' type, with linkages to alter the 'tilt' of the wings, then the reader might get a better picture of this 'SeeSaw' generator. 'SEAsaw'

The trouble with any floating generation rig, is 'Neptune's Fury' The old seagod has a much calmer temper below the waves. Ask a submariner.

I noted with interest a recent GlobalSpec feature on 'snap-action' permanent magnet wave-power generation, think of a giant floating bicycle chain, tethered to an anchored buoy. [I guess 'Air-Springs' might come in handy here?] Once again Old Neptune might scupper the project. Some very sturdy lighthouses have vanished overnight without trace when waves are the size of appartment buildings, except more massive, [more weight!]

__________________
"Neither man nor woman can be worth anything until they have discovered that they are fools. The sooner the discovery is made the better, as there is more time and power for taking advantage of it." William Lamb
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Etats Unis
Posts: 1871
Good Answers: 45
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Turbines Turn with the Tides

11/14/2006 8:55 AM

Good point. I wasn't thinking about the storm factor.

__________________
The hardest thing to overcome, is not knowing that you don't know.
Reply
Power-User
United States - Member - NY Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - BSME Clarkson University '83 Fans of Old Computers - TRS-80 - First PC experience Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 130
Good Answers: 7
#7

Re: Turbines Turn with the Tides

10/02/2008 11:12 AM

Two years after this blog was originally posted, the first 6 of 300 tidal turbines have arrived in New York City. The 300 turbines will provide 10 MW, enough to power nearly 8,000 New York homes and replace 68,000 barrels of oil or 430 million cu ft of natural gas per year. Here's the full story from Industrial Equipment News.

Reply
Reply to Blog Entry 7 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

8320 (1); Alastair Carnegie (2); Jazzy1oh1 (1); Jorrie (1); rcapper (2)

Previous in Blog: Urban Turbine Runs Quiet   Next in Blog: Color Conversion for Better Efficiency

Advertisement