A Glass of Prozac?

"While the presence of noxious agents in potable water is nothing new, the need for more extensive real-time monitoring takes on new urgency."

A water still will do the job, better yet a fractionating column of two or three stages would ensure ultra pure drinking water. Just don't buy an over-hyped and over-priced one from ads in the back of popular b. s. and diy type magazines lest ye get shorn or your wallet lightened.

That's all right for us - we can monitor and purify our drinking water to a fare-thee-well. What about the wildlife - everything from water beetles to fish to songbirds and deer, raccoons, and bobcats. Even plant life can be affected. We seem to be inadvertently poisoning the water around us even as the supply grows scarcer. Don't be afraid - be VERY afraid!

That is why large cities like Montreal are going to use ozone to treat the waste water before it is returned to nature. I expect that other metropolis will follow suite once the large scale results are published. The pilot projects gave amazing results on fresh water trout. They survived and grew without sex changes while living in the treated waste water diluted to represent the real life. The same experiment done with other technologies gave disturbing results. Unfortunately, it is going to take many years before a final verdict is rendered. Meanwhile, we could stop taking so much drugs (often uselessly) and certainly stop flushing the un-used ones down the drain.

I think the chemical cleanup of waste water is too long in coming, but i wonder what sorts of other problems we will generate as we start to get pushed out by the nature we are trying to preserve. Who needs larger catfish or trout for example.

Ozone is not without its' own hazards. I trialed using an ozone water treatment for an open chilled water system for about 12 hours, before the concentration was so high in the plant there were respiratory problems. Ozone is a pollutant in the lower atmosphere, and any use will need careful monitoring (similar to Cl) to avoid problems.

Bottom line is everyone and every agency or corporation needs to be more and more careful where actions can cross fencelines and affect other people.

Of course ozone is a dangerous gas. You NEVER! NEVER! use it in the open, even in low concentrations. It is as potent as chlorine gas. Were you trying to repeat the Bhopal disaster or imitate the Nazi gas Chambers? Any competent ozone equipment manufacturer would have told you not to do it in the open if you asked them. There are many similar system (well designed) that have been in operation for years.

Ozone is always used in a closed chamber, usually under a vacuum provided by an ozone destruct unit to eliminate the excess. Note that destroyed ozone returns to its more stable form which is oxygen.

When used properly, ozone is very safe as you smell it well below dangerous level. Of course if you insist on staying there when there is a leak you will get injured. Another thing that makes ozone safer than other substances is that it is produced as needed. You cannot stock it. If you have a leak, the ambients ozone detectors that are mandatory under OSHA will stop the production immediately, increases the ventilation, and activates an alarm. This insures that the safety of the plant personnel. (As long as you comply to the rules).

As an aside, ozone is now used to reduce the NOx coming out of the refineries smoke stacks. These NOx are responsible for a good fraction of the industrial acid rain production. Do you remember that in the 80's-90's, the acid rain were the scare of the day? We and the nature, were going to fade away, slowly etched by the acid coming down on us. Well, 20 or so years later, we have developed a few technologies to minimize this problem. Unfortunately, not everybody is using it but it will come. Now, we are working on drugs in the water and CO2.

"Now, we are working on drugs in the water and CO2."

Wouldn't it be great if we'd collectively get smart enough to work on keeping the problems from happening, rather than solving them after the fact?!? Ooops! But I forgot - it's still too early to apply logic...

I agree with you 100%. The problem is that this implies a change in our habits and maybe some work.

1- To the drug industry, the doctors and the patients who beg for a miracle pills. Do not over medicate the symptoms. Find the real cause and work on that.

2-To the people who discard their surplus med in the toilet. DON'T do it. Use municipal hazardous material reclamation centers. Or bring them back to the pharmacist. They should be obligated to take them back for disposal. I think that it is the case in Europe.

3-Encourage the three "R". Reduce, Re-use, Recycle.

4-In general, Europe is many years head of north America in this field because they don't have any choice. Too many people on too little land. We should keep an eye on the solutions they are implementing. Most of Asia has the worst pollution problem you can imagine but they don't worry about it for the moment, they are still fighting starvation.

The ultimate solution would be to go back to the life of the cave men, eat raw meat and die at 25. This way we would return to nature as the helpless prey that we used to be. I doubt that we are ready for this one though. Maybe after the next nuclear war.

"...a change in our habits and maybe some work..."

Then don't hold your breath. You'd turn several interesting shades of blue though...

Concur we are not ready for anything like a natural lifestyle. The nouveau riche pay lip service to a 'natural lifestyle' by wearing hemp cloth skirts, drinking lattés made from shade-grown coffee, and buying a Prius instead of another Beemer, but who'd go down the tubes first - them, or us? Not to say I'd outlast everyone else, but at least I know how to raise a garden, hunt, fish, and even tan leather.

OBTW, I don't go to doctors an anything like a routine basis, so supposedly my health suffers. Not hardly!

I should have added that my ozone trial was about 20 years ago. Also, the equipment salesman was probably less intelligent than I was. A dangerous combination! At any rate, the salesman did not get an order, and removed his equipment the next day.

I appreciate your adding the info on ozone destruct equipment and O3 detectors. Do you recall when OSHA made these detectors mandatory?

I do not know exactly when the specifically added ozone on the list and set the maximum exposure time but we have been installing ambiant ozone and oxygen monitors for at least 15 years and maybe more. I know that projects done 30 years ago have them but don't know if the monitors were on the original installation.

Thanks for the education!

Honest question.

My chemistry was a long time ago so I don't understand how ozone (O3) could reduce the amount of NOx.

1. You cannot rely on water, which approximately 5% of municipally supplied, is for household use.

2. You must rely on your own intellect to secure YOUR SOURCE.

3. Distillation and RO has been shown to promote arthritic symptoms. (How you ask?)

4. Water must be molecularly restructured in order to provide efficient osmotic assimilation through protein channels in cell membrane walls. (Encourages cellular permeability...Thank You Harvard).

5. Once again, YOU MUST ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR WATER SUPPORTING YOUR PERSONAL NEEDS:

• Hydration (nutritional utility),
• cellular waste removal,
• personal hygiene,
• household cleaning,
• nourishment for your pets and plants, etc, etc.

Quit complaining about the system and do something to help yourselves and your family. You may be dead before the system is fully functional.

6. THE PROBLEMS:

• Education
• Psychologically-oriented Sales Schemes
• DISTRUST due to such sales and media-based MISINFORMATION; false networking.
• Political (Good-ole-Boy Network) Misappropriation of Funds which are supposed to be allocated to address the UTMOST NEEDS common to us all. (not campaign funding and earmarks)
• The Information Era...Internet...there is a lot to process folks.

THE SOLUTION? No SOLUTION (chemistry) at all...

• QUIT frickin' mixing chemicals up and advertising them to the population as GOLD.
• Manufacturing and processing of consumer-based household products, agricultural run-off and pharmaceutical concoctions are the primary culprits.
• Besides 'The Defense Budget'...the money trails lead right to the sources.
1. Are the drugs fixing the problems, or just reducing the symptoms?
2. Are the pesticides actually enhancing production of OUR FOOD?
3. What's going on at the SOURCE, creating those symptoms/realities?
4. The tricky part is in determining what/where the SOURCE actually is (in all processes).

Citric acid and sugar make that tap water taste awful good (flavor cover-up!)...those chemicals and drugs are mainstreaming right in through your tap (covered up)...soft drink anyone?

Alchemists through out HISTORY (Fool's Gold Analogy) have mislead individuals for the sake of taking their money...History continues to repeat itself. Let's turn these circles into lines folks (Geometry anyone?).

YOUR JOB...ASK YOURSELF (Follow this circle)

1. What is the actual quality of water that supports my day-to-day life?
2. How have I reached this conclusion?
3. AM I SURE?...that conclusion is based on up-to-date technologies provided by cutting edge research and information...thus validation?
4. GOOD ENOUGH? What's the next step?
5. Go back to Question 1...finished yet?

It is critical that OUR CIVILIZATION deal with this issue...History? Civilizations have fallen due to tainted water (very reasonable conclusion). Biological and plumbing material contamination...example? Lead plumbing...who? Do a little research...what behavioral attributes did this empire have before it's fall? Frightening similarities folks.

Where was it that had the water supply contaminated by mercury?

Just makes GOOD SENSE to do whatever it takes to insure your personal and family's BASIC NEEDS are appropriately met...doesn't it.

The final question...How important do YOU think water really is and why?

WOW! I must say, it would take all of my resolve to actually follow through with independent research on all of that, so I must perforce allow some of the (hopefully accurate) information provided guide me. That said, I still gave a GA vote for this because of the thoroughness with which the issue was addressed.

What can stop these chemicals? Does the distillation or osmotic process work?

Hello...I know my first entry was a sort of rant...but I was simply trying to outline a deeper, truer reality of issues I have faced during my research (fortunately not all of them).

For cost efficiency...here is the up-to-date results of my research thus far, for your home's/family's water-filtration needs.

1. Start with a whole-house water softener to reduce larger debris...find one which uses ion-exchange resin or filter media...

• Kinetico is the best (no power-supply needed, regeneration/maintenance process uses water-pressure to actuate valve-system).
• RainSoft also works (24V DC adapter).
• Do not buy at RETAIL. They are about $5-700 to the local dealer.
• I'm sure there are others...but the issue here is long-term cost. You will have to purchase salt for the brine-tank which 'scrubs' the resin.
• MAKE SURE that whatever you choose, the resin withstands the long-term damage that CHLORINE causes...or you will have to purchase another one of these.

2. Now, a whole-house KDF media filter, followed by carbon-block filter (most expensive component of filter network).

• The KDF media adequately filters and insures that bacteria cannot proliferate in your carbon filter. (I will not go into all the specifics, but this information is published and addresses the basic considerations. In that publication, KDF followed by carbon is ALL that the author recommends.)
• I look at this as a long-term solution for the health of my family/household...so I look to cut long-term costs and maintenance (time).
• It will be easy for you to find a list of all contaminants that these filters address. There are different grades of Carbon...but block will be fine. (Research the benefits of activated charcoal as a dietary supplement to further promote Carbon as an extremely beneficial resource.)
• EBAY probably has the best prices available...do your research...thank the manufacturer for providing you with such a useful device.

This concludes the basics, supporting efficiency...now, the next level.

This next step brings you to the top of independent research and available product technologies. This is where the information gets intense and begins to disprove many fundamental notions and terminologies common in media, professional industry etc. I am currently in the process of writing a book 'The Water Principle'. To educate with the most efficient understanding of this information as I can manage...under the premises of The Scientific Method and Logical Proof (Geometry/Philosophy Tools of establishing conclusions). Law must be universally accepted, so we must begin with Principle.

For a head start, (while reaping the benefits and saving lots of money/time) you should purchase the following system to most efficiently do the same as above. www.wateralive.excelexgold.com Purchase the Hex-A-Softener and the whole house unit that supports your water-volume requirements/use. This is where the information may seem outlandish...however, read my previous post to determine how important water is. By understanding water at the importance level, the 'property-level' and reading the testimonies of supporters and doubters, I hope you will take the leap of faith under the premise of "I am here to help you...not to sell you".

(However, please let the Excelex's know that I sent you when you do, I have yet to contact them, and won't until I have helped someone purchase a system from them...I have sacrificed a lot of time and work for research in the past 8 years and right now am currently struggling to find a way to purchase this for my household/future-farm...currently have RainSoft Unit, purchased about 6 years ago...maybe they will help me if I refer enough sales...3 on the see-saw locally where I live. I finally found this whole-house/personal product just a few days after my last post. My wife and I have been purchasing this same grade of water by the 5-gallon bottle from a local health food store...www.chawater.com...my wife and I visited the facility a couple years back.)

My promise is that this research has taken a lot of time, energy, money/sacrifice, and inspiration to accomplish. I also promise that I will get this book written...for it is a lot of supporting information that needs to be condensed (and released from my brain for sanity's sake, LOL) for the purpose of education. And, know that all products that are applications of Quantum/Biophysics research, are available for purchase through individuals that have overcome great diversities on many levels and in many respects in order to reach out and help you. A partner with this education is found in Energy Medicine...whose roots are primarily from Eastern Philosophy...supported by recent innovations in technologies to prove many of their more ancient modes of assessing Life-energy and healing therapies...i.e. acupuncture, massage, water/steam therapy, etc. The IIB (International Institute of Biophysics www.lifescientists.de) is another source to reference for the purpose of taking control of your water quality.

I know this is a small group, but due to the complexity of some of the financial difficulties I am having to deal with at this time...this is the best I can do to spread the word at this time. I am currently in business as a Professional Organizer and have done Handyman work for nearly 15 years. USAF, college student history helped me establish a low cost of living. Handyman work has allowed me the free time to research (and bass fish). But now God/The Universe (whatever your belief system incorporates...mine, all of the above) has determined that I have to figure out how to fulfill my Purpose in Life (what has happened to my time for bass fishing?!). I have known for some time now that it is this, Water...but daily I am having to reach financial obligations...so wish me luck, buy a hexahedron unit (or previous set-up).

I have a luncheon to attend...please, follow my lead and do a little investigation of the links that I have referenced. From my research, this is proving to be the strongest basis of genetic repair (there are so many angles to approach this subject from, that is my problem to solve). Then, feel free to email me for any reason. Just know that I am busy getting my Kah-Kah together to do this more professionally.

Jason R. Short

1001 Densmore Road

Joppa, AL 35087

quantumwater@gmail.com
http://groups.google.com/group/clearingclutter

I appreciate the fact you did not go away mad.

My interest is piqued by your mention of RainSoft, since I had a very interesting demo by a sales rep. However the price seemed very steep, and the rep could not explain why their ion exchange process was NOT water softening. So I am still on the fence.

You state that RainSoft should be available for $5-700, yet I was quoted over $6000??? Right off, I am concerned I am comparing apples and oranges.

Is the RainSoft ion exchange system a different resin system than "standard" softeners? (Kenmore, Culligan, etc.) The demo I saw seemed to product a higher quality water than standard water softening.

(As a bit of background, I live near Lake Michigan. When our community switched from well water to Lake Michigan water there was such an improvement that I switched off and removed the softener.)

You also mention Carbon-block filter. Is this correct, as I am used to seeing Carbon-black terminology.

Anyway, thanks for your second post. It has re-inforced and renewed my desire to research the water improvement equipment available. However, I am also VERY suspicious of what seem like "snake-oil" peddlers full of hype and flash, but short of rational, scientifically accepted explainations of how the equipment works.

A you may have noted, I've been burned before with water treatment technology (Ozone) and will be shy to invest in something I do not fullly comprehend.

Yes, I sometimes get a little agitated at how slow things evolve...I did 10 demo's for RainSoft (where I initially met my wife, just before and during 911) and quickly learned that they were teaching me about sales, not water. All of those systems primarily remove water hardness (RainSoft immune to damage from chlorine)...minerals, etc. The problem with municipal water is that they are adding chlorine. Chlorine reacts with other impurities and makes things even worse. That is why KDF is the most useful, it takes care (from what I have learned thus far) of bacteriological-type contaminants because of it's natural electrical/ionic intervention through the process. It is what keeps bacteria from building up in the carbon filter. The carbon filter gets rid of the chlorine and the compounds it has formed. Ozone is electrochemical, and only kills living things...drinking compounds and dead things...yuck. Must be used in stage with other media to be very effective. I actually came across the quantum physics type information before I got too well entranced in figuring out how to deal with filter specifics. I just knew that RO was the best physical filtration due to particle size (ten thousandth of a micron for a quality unit, even filters out blood cells). Even then, manufacturing process and the nature of the RO can still put solvents/plastic in the water. And the process wastes a lot of water for the quantity that is dispensed. For the past 3-4 years I have been purchasing $10 - 5 gallon bottles, re-using Sobe (glass bottles, sanitary, non-leaching) for transport. Distillers are very difficult/technical to maintain in order to produce non-contaminated water. But, none of these address the need for re-structuring the water molecule or organizing cluster size.

I choose the Hexahedron system...very cheap in comparison to other whole-house units, if I wasn't in such dire straits financially, I would have purchased and hooked it up immediately after finding it...the first innovator that has been able to show magnification of the water molecule, through third-party verification (I could list several other means which have verified the same sort of results, mainly through testimonies, but none that allow true visualization from technologies that have been substantiated scientifically, plus his basic filter process follows...Don't Drink the Water - Until you've read this book).

• IBM, tried to make computer hard drives out of water (80's) due to a memory property that water has. Extracting info in the same fashion of course became impossible to achieve due to fluidity.
• Water actually has it's greatest memory potential at human body temperature.

Any rate, after you physically filter impurities from water...the electromagnetic signature of the specific contaminants (solute) remain. This has to do with the fact that every physical thing has a specific molecular structure...whose structure vibrates at it's own specific resonance...water remembers the vibration. Well, the vibrations remain for everything that has come into contact (in solution) with that volume of water. Eventually, there are many stored vibrations that cause the de-structure of the water molecule. You must remove all (or most of) solute, followed by the frequencies/memory...

Voila, the water re-gains it's theoretical/ideal shape. This helps create a special circumstance for living systems...ultimate hydration through cellular osmosis. Osmosis is the basic function of all living matter. It is what allows the cells to nourish and remove waste. Physiologically, we must use our own body's energy reserves to structure the water to serve vital functions. When done prior to consumption, it serves much more efficiently. Independent research has been conducted and produced specific signs of genetic repair and enhancement when lower life-forms have been quarantined in an environment completely nourished with this level of water. Athletic performance and recovery enhanced. For me, I hope it is developing my intellectual capacity to be able to just simply explain it. There is actually a scale on which it is based (ranging from 0 to infinity...human-neutral 7500-8000 Bovis). But, as far as I know there has not been any electronic testing equipment developed to detect specific levels...like a voltmeter, etc.

I think I have a clue how to do this, but I need to find a workplace that can set me free. I just don't know where to go. And all of the innovators out there have gone straight into applications (there are so many that it is almost overwhelming), rather than establishing the fundamental education for it to be supported. They take the sales route, some more professionally than others. But not anywhere near the level of many of the corporations represented here at GlobalSpec.

So, theoretically...remove all impurities, then all frequencies...this should equal the best water has to offer. (However, there are many properties that perhaps have not been fully researched/established. I have found sources disproving free-radical theory, that toxicity is directly related to electron spin, etc.) So, due to the Bovis scale ranging to infinity, and tap water being 2000-4000 Bovis, depleting to human energy level...anything above 8000 is life-enhancing (according to this more intrinsic type of scale)...the testimonies and results I read at the Hexahedron website are identical in nature to those of previous and current manufacturers I have been tied to; and indicate an output of water far above human neutral...and, you can do it yourself and not pay shipping, gas, etc, etc to have it, for you, your family, plants, pets, etc. All you have to do is purchase, follow installation instructions and perform maintenance on the system. (This is why I would get as many simple maintenance, or low cost filter types in front of the Hexahedron...decrease cost of filter replacement if you can remove majority of components by starting with a unit such as RainSoft or ideally Kinetico. The trick here will be learning how long this preserves filter media. I will definitely install a water meter of some sort to help keep track.)

There are many application benefits from this information that I have seen (not professional)...ads online for houses designed to use this level of consideration as it applies to all materials in constructing the home. Built in water catchment/filtration/enhancement, with a greenhouse set-up designed to help you live virtually off the map and with no potential of harmful bacteria, etc growing on any surface in the house. (there is beneficial bacteria...cyanobacteria created the oxygen we live on...took them millions of years...Discovery Channel documentary).

How this system does it? Not sure...such is being done through several different methods...I do know this. And from what I gather, with this system you will have to make sure that you follow all guidelines for set-up/placement. Especially as they pertain to having it near electrical lines, equipment etc. The water is definitely affected, and the re-structuring device might be destroyed too. THIS is why I am so adamant about finding/having/making detection equipment, for people to know for sure that all is well.

I'm glad that you have had some difficulties in your search for the truth, it is making you pay attention to the details much closer. Making me do my best to accurately summarize. There is a lot more I could go into, but this is just a forum...and I am hoping that I have done well enough (thus far) to convince you that this price is phenomenally reasonable, considering the benefits. If a company like RainSoft got a hold of this, we can only imagine what they would charge. Fortunately, the internet has made it possible for the independents out here to spread the Truth...the Information Era is difficult, but we're all starting to put it all together and it is going to lead to a much free-er future.

(Point: Through Google Ads...just this morning, a water vaporizer unit that converts water into H-H-O...connects to your vehicle intake...increases gas mileage up to nearly double in one case I read...and increases HP, hill-performance, etc up to 15%. Truckers around 25% mileage increase, since it works with diesel as well. runacaronwater.com...check it out...I'm really excited...many other benefits...is this why oil companies are jacking up prices? tad skeptical (can't help it...we've been conditioned to be this way)...but, 90 mile round trip to work...it's worth $150 and a weekend to put one on my wife's 00 Accord...then my 88 4Runner, 87 Prelude...hope it will help us save quicker for the Hexahedron.)

Sorry so long, but just wanted to be as thorough as possible. Remember, the heart and head have to work as one.

Jason

"...has been able to show magnification of the water molecule..."

Huh?

"...due to a memory property that water has..."

Say WHAT?

"...every physical thing has a specific molecular structure...whose structure vibrates at it's own specific resonance...water remembers the vibration. Well, the vibrations remain for everything that has come into contact (in solution) with that volume of water..."

Starting to sound a trifle holistic here... Pardon my skepticism, but this goes in the face of what I believe to be scientifically valid.

Please check this link for discussion on the water cluster photos:

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html

You will need to dig down into the site for the water cluster comments.

I do appreciate the comments on carbon filtration after softening for getting the microscopic crud out, but the hexahedron water system website "information" does not make sense to me or to others.

Thanks for the link - I bookmarked it! Bottling snake-oil and selling it as super-water...what won't they think of next?!?

Hello, well you seem to have found some more idiots that have tried to make a name for themselves by talking smack and calling things quack.

Water: The Foundation of Youth, Health, and Beauty is the book written by the developers of the Penta Process. It's premise is based on Harvard Research...aquaporin (protein) channels in cell walls, responsible for carrying out cellular water exchange for the purposes of hydration/nourishment and removing waste...OSMOSIS.

I know the computer is good for finding information...but you also have to do your homework in relation to reading BOOKS! We can all sit here and battle back and forth on what eachother feels is eachother's opinion's (this point in time). But one of us has also purchased and read numerous books (lots of time) on the subject.

My suggestion is to start with the basics...one of which is 'water-witching'...been around for a long time. My outlook on this is...have you ever seen an electric field? Magnetic field? Oh, they are there...we both know they have been confirmed...they are the basis for all electronic innovations. Simple experiments verify them (magnets/hair standing etc). Not all science is that simple.

Bill Wernet, original co-founder of Sante', is the gentlemen who worked at IBM and is familiar with the attempt to use for computer hard-drives. I've spoken with him on several occasions, I suggest you try the same (been a few years, not sure how reachable he is now). His co-founder Mannfred Bauer had cancer and this company was the result of him finding the way to rid his body of his personal cellular mutation. (can never get rid of all cancer cells, but can get rid of tumors/large concentrations...unless you spend a long time properly nourishing the body/living in a proper environment).

(IIB) International Institute of Bio-physics...more recent research in the field. I haven't communicated with any of these folks to date, but I believe that you will find that they are using Kirilian Photography for the imagery of biophoton fields. Been around for quite sometime...

I'll stop here for you to catch up a little...like I have said before...there are many angles. I hope you will take the time to check these references out. They are very legitimate, and last and most importantly...they are very important for you to understand; if you really hope to make a positive change for yourself.

Life and quality are directly determined by what is going on in your environment. Upon research, you will find there is no better way to enhance your environment than making sure that you have a proper water supply. One, hydration/nourishment...two, detoxification/waste removal.

Plasma screens and leather couches are runner's up!...though I must admit, they sure seem to have a much more immediate beneficial impact. Let's look at the long-run though.

Peace Out!