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Cops Replace Gas-Guzzlers with Greener Cruisers

Posted January 21, 2009 8:37 AM

From msnbc.com: Environment:

CAHOKIA, Ill. - Police Chief Richard Watson admits his department's newest patrol car is a curious departure from its big-horsepower Ford Crown Victorias. But the four-cylinder Pontiac Vibe GT has plenty of pep for policing, he said, and gets twice the gas mileage. Law enforcement agencies across the country looking for ways to cut corners and reduce costs after last year's $4-a-gallon gas are increasingly turning to more fuel-efficient cars. While few expect that more muscular cruisers like the Crown Victorias or Dodge Chargers will be replaced altogether, there's little confidence gasoline will stay below $2 a gallon much longer.

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01/21/2009 2:05 PM

Off the cuff:

It seems to me it would be very difficult to calculate the difference between the 'more muscular' less mpg car vs. the 'more efficient lower HP'.

It would depend on the average amount of chases in which the police "need" the high HP vehicle, versus standard low-speed patrolling. I am thinking more low speed patrolling goes on.

However, when a chase is going on, if it is not quickly ended, helicopters get involved. Now we have to consider the price of helicopter / Aviation fuel as well.

So it becomes an equation of

Average amount of gas saved (using high efficiency vehicles) * gas price

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Average number of chases where HP is NOT needed * gas used

Compare that, with

(Average number of cases where helicopter is involved + increase assumed because standard cars are not longer capable of the needed performance expected)* AV fuel price

However, to play devils advocate with myself:

I really don't think that high horsepower is all that necessary. In larger cities traffic congestion limits the amount of "high speed" anyone can really get to. Also, the radio is the most useful tool for picking up a suspect - get a different unit that is ahead of the suspect to block them off / road spikes etc.

Further, are "most people" driving large engine vehicles? There is certainly plenty with small engine vehicles. Maybe criminals that need to be chased will choose more muscley cars, but still... on average, there has to be more parking ticket, patrolling, speeding ticket, etc. type work than high speed chases. (Being a police person is nothing like the movies).

Bottom line is that more efficiency is probably a lot more important than more horses under the hood.

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01/21/2009 4:08 PM

They did this in the late 70's, but from 8's to 6's. As a one-time scanner listener, I can tell you that it became common practice to outrun the cops, sometimes for the fun of it. Power matters in cities too, and its about acceleration. The big bores get you from intersection-to-intersection faster. So the 4-cylinders will save fuel and likely reduces catches. Someday, we might adopt technology (Lo-Jack has some?) that can shut down the bad buy and save gas and lives.

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01/22/2009 5:26 PM

JCase,

You forgot to mention that most high-speed chases end in high-speed crashes that result in injuries (to criminals and bystanders) which in turn lead to hospital bills, repair costs, and law suits.

A lot of police forces in the US were already going to no-chase policies before the $4 gas was ever a consideration. These forces had already determined that it is more practical to get the licence plate number of the vehicle then capture the crook later under controlled conditions.

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01/22/2009 9:21 PM

The way things are going, CopsTV, Worlds Wildest Chases, etc. are all going to be reruns.

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01/29/2009 11:19 PM

Maybe something like a WRX for pursuit vehicles, just not as much room in the back seat to make it comfortable for "arrestees". Be hard to out run though.

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01/30/2009 9:29 AM

Earlier this week, there was a police chase in Los Angeles (the chase capital), but it was a U-haul truck driven by a blond woman. Police mentioned that U-Haul trucks are equipped with LoJack. I've heard that some LoJacks have "ignition kill", but couldn't confirm this on LoJack website. This chase lasted for hours but could have been minutes if there was an "ignition kill". Is there really such a product?

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01/30/2009 8:29 PM

Yes, this technology exists, but it is very new. It will take several years this to become common on U-Haul trucks. The LoJack you are referring to tracks the trucks for commercial reasons, but the shut off is an upgrade that was invented about 4-5 years ago as an anti-terrorism tool. The link below has an article on the subject, but it is not very thorough. I first learned about the technology on an episode of Modern Marvels titled, "Trucks."

http://rssniches.com/article201260-Quick+Ignition+Switch+Satellite+Truck+Shut+Off+Technologies.html

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01/22/2009 8:04 AM

Electric police-car in London:

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01/22/2009 9:26 AM

Why not an electric motor cycle/scooter to really save gas/petrol? In California (see ChiPs TV episodes), the gas bikes do well and can go (and park/hide) where 4-wheelers cannot. Everyone seems to be working on electric 2-wheelers and there are police versions. NYC is testing some. You can also get speed since the power/weight ratio is very favorable. Talk about speed -- the KillaCycle drag bike turned the quarter mile in less than 8 seconds @ 168 MPH.

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01/22/2009 1:11 PM

Wanna REALLY save some gas, and keep the speed at the same time? Well, here y'go then!

In alphabetical order - BMW, Harley-Davidson, Kawasaki.

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02/11/2009 11:05 AM

As a reserve deputy in Minnesota we use a mix of vehicles for different purposes. Trucks are needed to pull trailered boats/ATVs/snowmobiles that are used in rural areas and parks. Squad cars are also large primarily because officers have duty belts to carry everything but the kitchen sink: taser, sidearm, baton, chemical agent, radios, cell phones, handcuffs, gloves, etc. This means the seating area needs to be generous. The cars also need room for duty bags, first aid kits, defibrillator, emergency equipment, extra clothes, etc.

The law requires a fairly spacious back seat for anyone taken into custody, plus the safety firewall to protect officers from the detainees. Plus a large door is a plus for getting people in and out.

I think that more efficient cars with smaller engines will be used in the future, but not until they provide enough room on the inside to allow suitable usage.

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