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Starting of HFO Engine

04/08/2015 2:21 PM

Any one can give answer of following question please.

1. During starting HFO engine, on which parameters you should look upon?

2. what are various systems which are availabe in HFO based power plant?

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04/08/2015 2:26 PM

The operator's manual will give you all the information you need, just read it.

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04/08/2015 3:07 PM

A Hydrogen Fluorine Oxygen power plant, wow!

What's HFO actually stand for?

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04/08/2015 4:10 PM

If someone's trying to burn that particular combination it means.....RUN!!!!

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04/08/2015 4:22 PM

Sometimes there is a fine line between breakthrough and explosive disassembly.

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04/09/2015 7:56 AM

Actually, it's a TLA.

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04/09/2015 4:01 PM

It might be a misprint for HHO. Beware!

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04/08/2015 3:14 PM

It's all in the manual, Mildred.

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04/08/2015 4:47 PM

I weep for our future.

Google: Heavy Fuel Oil Power Plants

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04/08/2015 5:58 PM

I would look really hard for a manufacturer's model and serial number for this High Frequency Object rendering engine. Depending on which style of engine you have this will be found in either the help file in the operating system or a plate mounted to the block. Identify the name of the manufacturer and the model number of this engine. Enter the manufacture's name and model number into a search engine like Google. Look for the manufacturer's web site and a manual that you can download. RTFM

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04/08/2015 6:31 PM

What means RTFM?

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04/08/2015 8:41 PM

Exactly what OP would need to do if it wasn't homeowrk!

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04/09/2015 7:57 AM

"Read the .... manual".

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04/10/2015 4:34 PM

Read The Furnished Manuals.

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04/10/2015 6:35 PM

I like that.

I must remember it.

Furnished!

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04/13/2015 8:23 AM

Apparently Yahlasit is a polite man, as we already knew.

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04/08/2015 8:45 PM

Sorry sounds like homework.

We don't do homework here.

But then I will give you some hints:

1. All parameters should be looked upon start up that are important to be looked upon

2. All systems that are necessary to run the plant will have to be there. You already know that there is a starter somewhere in there. You will figure the rest.

So know that this is off my chest: What does HFO stand for again?

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04/08/2015 9:13 PM

Heavy fuel oil seems to be the likely guess, although an engine running on explosive Hypofluorous acid (HOF) shouldn't be entirely discounted either.

Take that gunpowder engine thread!

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04/09/2015 2:13 AM

We are engineers and guessing is secondary!

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04/10/2015 4:37 PM

I guess you're right...

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04/12/2015 9:56 PM

Was that your first guess or your second one?

Guess I try to find out if you are and engineer!

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04/09/2015 12:16 AM

1. It should rotate and then continue to do so until stopped

2.Fuel system, prime mover system, alternator system...

Mo, your question is too general.

What's your problem there? No manuals? Bugga won't start?.....

We are here to help, we just need to know what we are helping with.

I hope you aren't adrift in the ocean and using the last of your satphone's battery capacity to ask this.

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04/09/2015 8:50 AM

Happy Freaking Overunity engine?

It should start magically and run forever. Just wish upon a star.

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04/09/2015 1:36 PM

This is a homework question. HFO is heavy fuel oil. Only other likely (wild) possibility would be something like hydrogen fuel - oxygen.

Answer to Case #1: Consider that engine must rotate when starter button is depressed, and that the HFO is pre-heated (for thinning) to the nominal temperature given in the manual which will give you a viscosity range. Always start the HFO engine (of your container ship) on a lighter, thinner fuel, hopefully with some slight volatility as diesel, as basically you have a large diesel engine. If the starters cannot rotate the engine, you will need to pre-heat the cylinders somehow. Be careful not to crack the cylinder sleeves. The systems that must be available include: fuel storage tanks/bunkers for the starting fuel, and the HFO. Cooling system for the engine. Starting motors (could be smaller IC engines, not necessarily electric start, or can be air start from large air ballasts). Fuel pump systems for each fuel used (don't use HFO when in port or you will be fined). Fuel control systems for each. Lubrication pump, filters, and coolers, and lube oil storage.

As to CASE #2: start the HF-O flow, light a match, throw it and stand back. Do not peer into the area where the match lands. If this is pre-mixed hydrogen-oxygen system, first grab your ankles, stick head through legs, and kiss posterior goodbye. At least ANY pre-mix burner system, especially hydrogen, must have flash-back arresters. If you have to ask what those are, see previous sentence. For clean hydrogen and oxygen streams (gaseous) supplied to a series of diffusional burner heads, all you need is a match and a fast one after the flow is started.

If the fuel is LH2 and the oxidant is LO2, save the matches and s**t fire while running away as soon as the valves open. This one does not require an ignition source.

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04/09/2015 1:45 PM

What is meant by "HFO"?

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04/09/2015 2:15 PM

It means that somebody is so lazy they expect us to look up their undefined acronyms and guess accurately WTF they want despite the fact that they don't know WTF they need.

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04/09/2015 4:02 PM

<...WTF...> - another TLA. The forum is doing well with these tonight. Good value!

Philosophical thought: is the <...F...> in <...HFO...> and in <...RTFM...> the same <...F...> as in <...WTF...>?

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04/10/2015 4:51 AM

Not from here.

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04/09/2015 3:28 PM

Haddock-Flounder Osculation?

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04/09/2015 4:00 PM

<Titter> :-)

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04/10/2015 6:58 AM

When starting HFO machines, there is only one advise I can give you: NEVER press this button!

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04/10/2015 7:03 AM

Nor this one.

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04/10/2015 8:55 AM

I read it as How F***ing Obvious and thought that with a name like that we wouldn't have to give any advice because it is....well, obvious.

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04/13/2015 3:38 AM

OP could read the Cavalier questions on starting issues.

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04/14/2015 12:06 PM

Interesting site. Bunker or heavy fuel oil is one step above crude and should be called rude oil. I say this because if you are standing on the flight deck of a non-nuke carrier and you hear "standby to blow stacks" over the PA, you can expect to be engulfed in a cloud of sulphorus black soot. Or if you happen to have a living quarters with a port for sounding the level in the tank below, the hiss of the gas that escapes when the plug is cracked to bleed the pressure off means you are in for some aromatherapy. I suppose it is less complicated to prep bunker oil for use in steam boilers than ICE's, but I know the boilers were never shut down completely.

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04/14/2015 2:15 PM

It will burn if enticed correctly by pre-heating to a hellish temperature. Do not get this on you! Furthermore, even though the liquid (if one wishes to call it that) is tarry, and not readily ignited, I am sure it emits some lights that are readily ignited and dangerously volatile.

It is a paradox to have such a cheap fuel as this, but having to start the engine with a fuel that is completely processed, and refined to the nth degree. I have learned that by adding a small rate of hydrogen to the air being used in ICE burning Bunker C, (or other HFO if there is one), will increase the fuel burn efficiency (by increasing flame velocity), so that millions of dollars could be saved per year per cargo ship, just in the reduction of Bunker C burned while out of port.

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