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Video logger for bird studies

07/13/2007 8:18 PM

I am a biologist who frequently designs various devices for use in my field work. My latest challenge is to rig up a means of photographing birds (i.e. kingfishers) as they enter their burrows to feed nestlings. The problem is that they fly in there pretty fast. Ordinary game cameras or trail cameras (cameras that take pictures when an infrared motion detector is triggered) are much too slow. The fastest ones have a 0.75 second delay, and these birds fly about 10m per second--so they have gone 7 meters out of the camera range before the picture is taken. My colleagues and I would like to take pictures of the birds so we can determine which member of a breeding pair goes in, and so we can get the species and approximate size of the fish they are carrying. The solution I have thought up is this: Have a video camera monitoring the burrow constantly and use some sort of delay or loop that allows the last 5 seconds or so of video to be stored temporarily. Then use a flex-sensor strip in the burrow to detect when a bird enters. When the flex-sensor is triggered, the stored video (from 5 or so seconds ago) would then be dumped into long-term memory for later retrival. I have a bit of experience assembling ICs and intergrating devices with PIC microprocessors. I've identified some of the devices I would need (e.g. a video decoder to convert analog video to digital [SAA7130HL], and an MPEG encoder to convert YUV video to something small enough to store [ADV7181B]). But I am pretty clueless as to what sort of memory devices can be easily purchased and integrated (like drives for storing data on flash disks??), and I am even more clueless as to how I can engineer a delay of several seconds for the video feed. I know it is inappropriate to ask for someone to design this for me, so I am merely asking for help with the starting point. Any books, websites, or knowledge of similar devices would be most welcome.

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07/14/2007 4:38 AM

Interesting..and fun..

There was a guy a few days back posting for ideas for his electronics project....

Send this to him!

The usual trick is to have the images being stored in a say 7 second continous loop, stack or however you like to visualise it.

This way when ever the trigger fires you can permananently save the fram you want.

There must be software out there for this as it must have been done many times bfore.

I believe it's standard practice for highspeed digital video.

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07/14/2007 4:44 AM

Sorry...I got ahead of myself and answered before I'd read the whole ting...

You know all that already...

I got too excited by the Kingfishers....brilliant birds!

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07/14/2007 7:38 AM

I have a TV composite capture board in this PC and you can do exactly what you describe with it....

Save, in a variety of formats, video from a video source and have a preset delay - its used for sports events so I can watch the action and then do a slow motion replay while the video is still being captured...

At the end of recording the file can be edited as any video file in a number of video movie making programs, I use the free Microsoft movie maker program. You can edit and add voice narration etc...

The TV / video card is nothing special and cost about £12 on ebay... it just uses a PCi slot - but it does need a fast hard drive for the decent video formats.

Oh and a BIG hard disc if you're going to leave it recording for long... I'm sure they must do a version for a laptop if you need the portability?

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07/15/2007 7:42 AM

Thanks, John One important thing I left out of my description is that the burrow sites are often quite remote, so everything must be portable and battery powered. A laptop system might be possible, but I would like to monitior as many as 15 burrows at once, so I would like to find a cheap way of building several units--Cheap meaning $200-$300 US. I might try to hack one of those cards tho to see how the components are arranged. Cheers.

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07/14/2007 11:56 PM

Try using fast Pullman CCD camera 1000 frame per second. Some of them are progressive scan type. These camera are generally used for industrial product recognition. I think you may get small one from SONI.

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07/15/2007 1:18 AM

Hi, one system you could use would be a DVR system that is used in security applications. You can configure it to work in any way you like. The good ones allow you to select the area of detection using the camera and then what to save, in almost any format you like. These systems don't use PIR to trigger, but the actual image the camera see's. This way, when they detect a change in what they see as small as three pixels, they start to record. You can select a detection zone of any size you want anywhere in the frame. You can get a portable recorder here in Australia for about AUD$200 and then choose whatever camera you like. They store the data on an SD card.

To have a look go to www.jaycar.com.au and search for QV3094 or just search DVR for a full listing. Hope this helps.

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07/15/2007 6:10 AM

I don't fully understand your requirements, but here are a couple of options. I take still photos of bullets in flight like Doc. Edgerton used to do. My bullets travel several hundered meters/sec. I stop their apparent motion using a high speed flash (1/2usec.) and an inexpensive digital camera. I use a purpose made infrared detector with a response time of <5usec. The detector is simply a IR led transmitter and a photo transistor. When the bullet breaks the beam, the flash fires within a few microseconds. These photo-optical devices are very fast. If the system you are using has a slow response time, I think you could speed it up. The ambient light is kept low and the camera shutter remains open until an event occurrs. If you really need movies, I have used commercial high speed video rigs that have a recirculating memory. They photograph contiuously. You signal the camera after an event has occurred and the event is captured in the memory. The system I have used generally takes 1000 frames/sec.

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07/15/2007 10:19 AM

These CCD setups are intriguing. I don't think the flash setup would work because I have to work outdoors in a variety of light conditions. But a camera that stores a few seconds of video and feeds it to a storage system is exactly what I need. Anybody got some specifics on where such systems exist and what they cost. I've browsed a bit and found only systems that operate through a PC. I think I would need a "dump on trigger" sort of system.

I found this video delay device called the VideoLine by a company in the UK (http://www.ovation.co.uk/DelayLine/DelayLine.html). I imagine these are prohibitively expensive, but if there was a way to build one my problems would be solved...

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07/15/2007 2:57 PM

As the software has already been done for this type of application i.e. my video card, i would have thought there must exist the ability to modify the software to just act as a delay line i.e. to store video in RAM for the last 5 seconds or so and then dump it until a signal is recieved to halt and save the 5seconds of RAM video and save it to hard drive on a laptop.?

I suppose like all these software packages, if you want something even slightly different to the existing software its going to cost... Much better to use existing software and 'bend' it to do what you want...

I know that whenever I have asked for a software program to be modified even downwards, the company have started talking in kilo bucks amounts of cash!!!

Best to find the software off the shelf and find a tame software guy to 'massage and prune' it to your taste I guess...

As for the camera, I'm a little wary of using a normal digital camera at these high speeds? I have a number of assorted cameras and most of these are appalling for high speed use, most seem to have an upper limit of 20 frames per second...

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07/15/2007 3:13 PM

The problem is not necessarily software, but running the software. I really can't have a PC for every unit that would scattered over the study area (about 50 river miles). Besides, I think there are lots of software solutions out there alread that give you a video delay. I'm hoping that a high frame rate will not be necessary. I stuck a regular video camera (30 fps) under a burrow and got video good enough for our purposes. We only need a few frames to see the fish and the reddish plumage that marks females.

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07/16/2007 8:47 AM

Hmmmm Way back in the 60s we would make an audio tape loop using a standard cassette player, or reel to reel deck and just pop a loop of tape in it using a cotton reel as a third guide and tensioner....

Can't see why a portable video recorder running off a 12 volt car battery couldn't be used in a similar manner, with a stop signal to stop recording etc...

Just a thought as it would be cheap and easy to try?

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07/16/2007 9:43 PM

you cannt get the dl within 300dollar, if you only satisfy within 1S. a vedio tape loop can be most best. you can do it yourself use the ordinary cassette. cut a suitabe longth then connet in loop. enough.

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07/16/2007 8:23 AM

Don't want to seem presumptuous, but might the problem be solved by aiming the IR detector to a different location than the camera, taking into consideration where the bird will be after the delay?

Perhaps if the camera and detector were above the burrow facing away from the hole covering the approach area?

I want to assume that all this has been tried with unsatisfactory result, but one never know until one asks.

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07/16/2007 4:59 PM

Yeah, we tried that. The problem is two fold: 1) The birds sometimes approach from an odd angle or speed (usually higher or lower than normal) and 2) the burrows almost always face the river, so there is a lot of motion in the background (water, foliage, boats, etc.). The first field trial gave us about 200 pictures in a single day (there should have been about 20 tops) with no birds in any of them. Because we want to know the absolute number of visits (not just a sample) the motion detection system just seems too unreliable. Thanks, though, for the post. I realize now that I left out a few important details (such as the fact that some of the burrows are very remote and can only be reached by kayak--see below).

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07/16/2007 11:59 AM

http://www.gotchanow.com/

You might consider the above software. It only captures an image when the image changes. They have free demo software.

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07/16/2007 5:03 PM

Thanks for the post, but I think there may be too much background movement for motion detection in this situation. Also, many of the burrows are quite remote, so I need something that will work in the absence of a PC.

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07/16/2007 9:33 PM

Hi,

Good idea you have gotten. But I wonder why you insist on A/D? most of current camera neednt convert. It outputs digital signal directly. If you hope to get more good quality signal, you can use High resolution camera, if you hope to get slow action of the situation the bird fly to their burrow, you can use high speed camera. For example 500--1000F/s

You can use ordinary memory stick for you record media which can bought in any photo shpp., for example, you can choice 512M to store about 40S and 1G to get about one and a half minuts images.

Most of cassette can record 1.5 to 3 hours, it may enough for you record the last 1minute situation, when you evaluate the bird back time at one or two hours. If you use two camera, you have 6 hours to record, I think during the time you can certainly record the bird's on way home.

Some of the camera can record in loop mode. I ring a bell, You can contact with the agent for details.like tdk, sony, pan etc.

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07/16/2007 9:36 PM

If you conduct the digital output to a computer's usb terminal by you metioned card or 1394 dv, you can use many software and then set them in loop record mode, no problem to record 30S.

I hvnt played the set for a long time, hope this can be help.

Nation geograph magazine may be a good web site reference for you. Or you can visit Sony, Hitach, Toshiba etc Japan web, most o f them has English page and can offer you a good plan, or you can search this globalspace at words of Canada, gernan, switch etc for high speed camera.

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07/16/2007 10:13 PM

Thanks for these suggestions, but if you read above it is stated that I need a cheap solution--like less than $300 (I want to monitory many burrows at once). And the burrows are remote, so no way can I use a PC. If I only had one burrow to monitor I would just sit in front of it with a notebook and a wristwatch.

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07/16/2007 11:24 PM

How long the burrows are from each other? or view field angle? how many they are? so that youi can bedget is the 300dollar enough to monitor them.

how will you capture these picture and shoot? what lens? humanless duty? or you keep on with your camera?

if nobody control camera, the machine of auto controlling camera will be expensive.

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07/16/2007 11:37 PM

If you held a telescope to monitor at long distance and control your camera when you find the bird back at once. you can shoot the pic.

for example, 30M--100M at 90angel view field you find the birds, you start yur camera apart from you. you have enough time to record all situation.

the starter of camera can only be a cable controled by you. its cheeper.

or use a mobile phone, communicate your colleagues to start it.

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07/17/2007 9:13 AM

It would seem to me then, that you need an infrared detector coupled to a digital camera with a fast response time. You might ask at some of the camera buff web sites. They would be familiar with the gear.

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Camcorder Info.com

Google Search for BBS

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07/17/2007 4:56 PM

OK. I think this post has reached the circular point--lots of suggestions for things already tried or considered. Fortunately I think I have a plan: Casio makes digital cameras that have a "past movie" feature (learned about this in another forum). When this function is activated, the camera records continuously maintaining a 5 second buffer of video, When you press the record button, the 5 second buffer is saved, so that you have a video of the 5 seconds that preceded the button push. I'll just hack the controls of the camera and use a pic microporcessor to run the thing in "past movie" mode. So the trigger will cause video recorded 5 seconds earlier to be saved. Thanks for the help.

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07/17/2007 8:34 PM

you at last agree to use card camera to implement the task.

even a mobile phone with a camera has such function of loop record up to 7S. question is resolution and color? most of them only record 10s.

can it satisfy with your requirement to publish?

one infrared detector(on/off) or 130angle is aobut 130rmb (about $17) only can detect about <2M. so still other problem for monitor many spots.

however congratulate you find the way to get it.

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