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Need to Install a DPT Above the Liquid Service Level

06/18/2015 10:42 AM

I have to install a differential pressure transmitter (DPT) above the liquid service level (not below it) just between the input/output of a Diesel Oil (fuel) Filter to check when the filter needs to be cleaned, so the read out accuracy is not that much important. The application is differential pressure, not level measurement.
Both the filter tappings are located 80cm above ground and we have to install the DPT at least 160cm above ground to be readable by the operator locally (we've received installation punch from owner).
Vendor manual (model PMD75 from E+H) explicitly says "Measuring arrangement for liquids and vapors: Mount device below the measuring point."
The device is at the warehouse now. It is conventional, not capillary type.
As far as I know I can do it using condensate/vent pots, but I do not have a standard drawing or even a scheme of the required hook-up drawing.
Please let me know:
1) if it is possible to do so,
2) provide me with any practical industrial practice or standard number related to it
3) let me have a hook-up drawing for it.

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Re: Need to install a DPT above the liquid service level

06/18/2015 10:54 AM

Why don't you mount the DP transmitter below the taps, which keeps any air from collecting at a 'high' point, and run the transmitter's 4-20mA output to a loop powered digital display which can be mounted anywhere that you can get wire to?

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Re: Need to install a DPT above the liquid service level

06/18/2015 4:20 PM

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Re: Need to install a DPT above the liquid service level

06/18/2015 11:07 PM

Thank you for your answer Iris. We have to install the DPT above the filter to solve the problem mainly because:
1) Purchasing a remote display is not easy here,

2) Read-out Precision is not matter of concern in this case.

I had experienced such case 4 years ago. Unfortunately I do not remember the exact hook-up drawing (which included vent-pot) we had there to be able to install DPT above the liquid service level.

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Re: Need to install a DPT above the liquid service level

06/18/2015 11:57 PM

Finally I found the right hook-up to solve the problem using vent-pots.
Thank you Iris, for your answer.

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06/19/2015 4:49 AM

If accuracy is not important,and you simply need an indicator of when to change filter,

a differential pressure switch with an audible alarm and/or light would suffice and be more economical and relaible in the long term.

Determine the desired differential,order a switch with either a fixed differential or

adjustable to suit your application.

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06/23/2015 10:21 AM

Thank you very much HiTekRedNek.

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06/22/2015 8:03 PM

It took me a week to find this. I couldn't remember that I'd saved it as 'bubble pot'.

The graphic below shows how a bubble pot (a condensate pot rated for the line pressure/temperature with a bleed vent/valve to release accumulated air/vapor/gas) is piped/plumbed.

I've never had to use one, and I can not say how well they work.

I'm actually doubtful that the accumulation of air/vapor/gas will not induce a head pressure error. It seems to me that the transfer of pressure by a bubble pot is different than a steam condensate pot.

Both a bubble pot and a steam condensate pot will maintain a constant, static liquid head pressure (any liquid higher than the side tap will drain back into the main pipe). But a steam condensate pot has steam pressure on top of the static liquid head pressure. A bubble pot requires the impulse line liquid pressure to pressurize the air/vapor/gas cushion, and exert the impulse tube pressure onto the static liquid head.

Yeah, I know, exerted pressure in a closed system is exerted equally in all directions, but somehow in (relatively) low pressure (inches water column) applications, trapped air manages to produce head pressure errors.

If the pipe taps are at ~45 deg downward (conventional for liquids) angle, that will tend to minimize air release into the impulse tubes.

I'd appreciate hearing from someone's who's actually done this to see how accurate the pressure transfer is and whether there's any added maintenance involved.

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Re: Need to Install a DPT Above the Liquid Service Level

06/24/2015 6:50 AM

Thank you very much Iris for taking your time and all the efforts you made. Your answer is right.

But in this case, as I mentioned, precision is not matter of concern. Your explanation is great. I had applied a hook-up drawing very similar to what you have posted here. Many thanks again!

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