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Small Disc Turbine Build

06/18/2015 2:10 PM

I have been working in my home shop (with help from a local sheet metal company and a friend that owns a good mill) to build a working disc turbine of approximate disc diameter 3-3/4" (95mm). Each disc has 4 each, 1/8" (3.2mm) ports near the hub for exhaust. There are about twenty discs en gang on the hub/shaft. The turbine case is 1/2" wall steel tubing, with a flat milled coaxial on the outside diameter for the fluid (air, water, and/or steam) nozzle. The nozzle itself consists of a 1/16" (1.5mm) slit cut through the casing on the flat using a ceramic cut-off wheel, as it enters the casing more or less on a tangent to the inside diameter. Nozzle block consists of 0.5" (12.7 mm) square stock with a slit cut the same width and length as the casing slit, cross drilled to allow fluid inlet.

End plates consisting of a steel band around a locked aluminum plate disc, with cutaway for exhaust directly to final end plate exhaust port turned from hard steel plate. The turbine assembled rests upon a poplar wood base, has aluminum flats for support legs (angled), and has outboard bearings that are basically "high end skateboard" bearings of 0.200" I.D. bearing race (shaft is sleeved to fit). The bearings are silicon nitride, and do not require lubrication, and are the self-aligning type, thus alignment is snap simple, even I could do it, with next to nothing for tools.

I used a Taig lathe, and cheap small drill press (Harbor Freight) for most of my tool work, but it is definitely a leap to turn some steel as large as the casing on that mini-lathe. I had to install reversible jaws on the lathe chuck. Due to the inability to lower rotation speed sufficiently for the size of steel, I was getting really proficient at burning up good cutting tools, including tungsten carbide ones. The way I slid past this, was to make "dusting" cuts only each pass, then let the thing rest a while and cool down. Finally I had the ID "bored out to specs", and then honed using a brake cylinder hone from local auto parts store.

One of the largest problems was getting threads of various sizes tapped, until I quit buying Chinese steel, and starting buying American, or Japanese, (although I have learned that in some circles German drills are best, and Swiss steel for taps and dies is Gans Uber. I am happy with results with American and Japanese stuff. Not so much the Chinese, where the kit I had virtually none of the taps work, and none of the dies were worth the weight of the steel. They seem to have been made to slow people down, rather than help them make progress. If this what the poor Chinese people have to work with, they have my sympathy.

Last night, at 20:45 CDT, in Lubbock, Texas, in my home work shop, I spun up the turbine for the first time, beginning with compressor off and empty tank (a smallish Husky brand compressor suitable for nail guns). Steady state air flow was between 10-20 psig showing on output gauge. Rotation started (only one bearing had been even close to aligned, and neither were optimized by starting torque measurement plots), almost immediately with air flow, and at ~20 psig, the speed was probably 1000-2000 rpm (no tachometer at hand, but have immediate plan to remedy this).

After allowing compressor to cycle up and top off at ~100 psig, when air was applied, the turbine must have reached speeds upwards of 20,000 rpm based on an extremely faint high pitch. With compressor switched off, the turbine is smooth and quiet as can be, mostly just an air flow hiss consistent with 1/4" supply tubing. At full speed at top pressure, the output torque was enough to instantly burn my finger tips as dynamic brakes. I think I can come up with a better frictional dummy load than my fingers, sorry for the safety "violation". Maybe a speed reducing coupling to a water paddle mechanical equivalent of heat will act as dynamo-meter? Who knows?

Plans are to use an out-runner motor from RC plane/copter as a generator, due to its high speed abilities. I still have yet to build various burner heads, steam generators, disc turbine compressor (for Brayton cycle tests), etc. for this turbine.

Turbine Model: Stewart Disc Turbine (a Tesla form Turbine) Mark I (prototype)

Turbine Serial Number: 015 006 17-1 (not yet stamped)

There will be more to follow, including hopefully a You Tube video, and various build pics. I know I may be somewhat premature to start crowing, but I am sort of proud of my accomplishment thus far, although as do we all I stand upon the shoulders of industrial giants, many backyard tinkerers that are far more clever than me, and my own uncle William (WWII, US Army) who tried his best to teach me heavy machinery work,(his lathe and mills were about big barn sized stuff), my Brother-in-law, Leon the welder (he welded some platform stuff in the North Sea off Scotland and Norway.) who mainly tried to teach me some common sense, and my Dad, Charlie (Stewart), who was in the US Navy between WWI and WWII on a light cruiser, although the big guns on her were still 8", as best as I can recall from the stories of maneuvers.

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06/18/2015 2:30 PM

Cool...can't wait for the movie! or some pics?

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/tesla-turbine.htm

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06/18/2015 11:23 PM

What is the thickness of discs in Tesla Turbine?.

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06/19/2015 10:47 AM

the disc thickness on the Mark I is about 0.81 mm (I think this was 20 gauge aluminum sheet stock (standard 0.032" thickness), but months have past since I had that step done.)

The next build will be using re-formed tuna can lids. I will gauge those and include in specs.

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06/19/2015 1:10 AM

quoting from the last page:

"Had materials such as Kevlar been available in Tesla's lifetime, it's quite likely that the turbine would have seen greater use. "

I might be wrong but would Kevlar not reduce efficiency as in friction reduction?

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06/19/2015 11:01 AM

I suppose this would really easy to test with various plastics as Kevlar, Teflon, EPDM, PP, CPVC, PVDF, etc, and compare to other items as dense wood, paper board, metals.

I suspect that streaming friction at the boundary layer may be affected by surface roughness.

Also perfect flatness of the discs (perpendicular to the spindle) assures a purer boundary layer effect during spin-up and operation. My blades are not perfectly flat, nor are they even necessarily perpendicular to the spindle (based on odd dimensional irregularies in out of the package #6 flat washers used as spacers.) By the way, the flat washers are just slightly larger thickness than the discs themselves.

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06/18/2015 2:49 PM

If there ain't no pic... it didn't happen

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06/18/2015 3:45 PM

happenings at work today, prevent much more for now.

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06/19/2015 11:08 AM

Have pictures, and video clips, but having an issue with getting past "Upload pending" to YouTube. Probably due to no local WiFi here at work, I guess. I will email them in to my work email, and then attach the files?

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06/19/2015 1:29 PM

If you need more inspiration for your project, search on YouTube using the search "tesla cd turbine", you may be surprised at just how many turbines have been made with CDs....

Though TRUE Tesla ones they are not as his had the exhaust close to the shaft, these here do not appear to do that, close but no cigar!!

Or just click here:-

Tesla CD Turbine

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06/19/2015 1:34 PM

Yes, I have seen many of these. There is nothing in particular new, or totally unique to my prototype. It was just for fun, and for possible SHTF home energy, during natural disaster. (But water is even more important during any crisis than is electric power, although I would like having electric power also). Especially for the zombie lights and electric fence!

Usually in a crisis, one wants to maintain an exceedingly low profile, and appear to be cold, and in the dark, when inside the home, everything carries on with some normalcy. Less people will come try to take one's stuff in such a case.

I am totally convinced the economy will fail, a giant solar flare will wipe out the grid, and H.C. will simultaneously be elected POTUS. - A triple-headed dragon catastrophy of the fifth kind. Therefore, it behooves all good Boy Scouts to be prepared.

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06/18/2015 4:38 PM

Lubbock? Hmm, I might get a buddy from Jones Station to come check it out for you.

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06/19/2015 10:42 AM

That would be fine with me. I doubt anyone working at a large generating facility should be majorly impressed. The reason I built this was to show that even someone with very marginal machining skill can produce this.

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06/19/2015 1:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3CbpFQa8PA

short video on the turbine spin up.

The rotor as originally assembled, showing small spindle size 0.125", and aluminum discs and spacers (#6 washers).

final assembly

one more photo of as built prototype

the basic parts layout. Note that some parts (bearing holders and stands are not shown, although the bearings themselves are present. Extra pipe fitting shown are for steam exhaust header to (heater core) condenser. Steam generator is next build, I suppose, and it should include an eductor to pull condensate directly into the steam flow to produce 2-phase wet steam (disc turbine totally immune to wet steam, but aluminum discs have a real problem with high super-heat), as a protection to the rotor, and to augment mass flow (power).

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06/22/2015 8:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElQ-uQ-hCwc&feature=youtu.be

Part 2 of air spin up - this time starting with 150 psig compressor tank full. (This is a low capacity and rate air compressor being used as feed to the disc turbine).

I think the rapid spin up for my design relies on slight misalignment of the discs (not strictly normal to spindle axis due to uneven spacer washers), and this may provide some impulse response not by intention.

I will send additional updates (or post new) once the steam components are finished.

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06/27/2015 2:45 AM

Thanks for sharing this.

Seems you're enjoying yourself, so that's good.

I don't suppose you'll be doing efficiency testing...might stop being fun if it gets too serious.

Any fluid. Surprised there aren't more attempts of making these turning up on CR4 from the minihydro lobby.

Simple enough. Actually it looks hard to get wrong.

Well done. Yours looks real good. Definitely scalable.

Will you have a go at an internal combustion variant?

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06/29/2015 3:16 PM

More likely an external combustion variant, using steam. I am off onto another project involving heat rechargable batteries, but I am held to at least minimal confidentiality on that one.

The disc turbine is meant to be compatible with steam from any source up to the yield limit of aluminum discs. One thing about Aluminum is its great heat conduction rate radially from the circumference back to the hub. Sort of a parasitic loss, or more of an automatic reheat? Will be interesting what sort of exhaust temperatures I can get with my over all contraption. I have a great deal to work out. Heck, I still do not have a real speed reading yet on 20 psig air. The thing seems to have worn itself "in" a bit, as it is now somewhat easier to spin by hand than when first assembled. Teflon containing spray lube may be what did that? I don't know.

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