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Electric Motor Selection

08/04/2015 1:41 PM

I have a catalog that lists motors as "farm duty" and "Compressor duty". If I were to need a 3 HP motor for a saw, could either of the above noted motors be used?

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Re: Electric motor selection

08/04/2015 2:08 PM

The big difference is the IP rating. Compressors usually run in a cleaner environment so an ODP (Open frame Drip Proof) motor will do. Since sawing wood is a dusty enterprise I would go with a TEFC (Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled) motor to minimize wear and tear and maintenance intervals, plus it's less likely to spark a wood dust explosion. Just make sure that your circuit can handle the starting current/voltage drop when you flip the switch.

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08/04/2015 2:14 PM

It depends.

"Farm Duty" means the motor is a slightly less expensive design and typically because they are considered to be "definite purpose" motors, will not meet the new (as of 2005) mandatory energy efficiency requirements for general purpose motors, with the understanding that on farms they are not used continuously. They also incorporate other features such as bearing seals called "V-ring slingers" that keep out both dust and moisture because of the likely outdoor use and exposure to corrosive environments in farms (chemical sprays, H2S gas from decaying manure etc.), double sided shafts with bearings capable of being connected to the load on either side, and slightly higher starting torque than GP motors.

"Compressor Duty" motors are cheaper yet because again, as a type of "definite purpose" motor they don't have to meet the energy efficiency requirements, plus they are usually rolled steel frames, not cast. So from a physical strength perspective, a compressor duty motor does not have to be as strong and rigid as a GP motor, because you know in advance EXACTLY how it is going to be mounted and used (assuming you are the compressor OEM).

In both cases, you can use them for a saw, but if you are using them as part of a project that is going to involve being inspected by a local AJH or Power Utility auditor, there is a risk they might reject them because of the lack of energy efficiency certification.

These are also only going to apply to single phase motors, so at 3HP single phase for a saw, you are likely looking at a significant machinery load for a single phase service, and low energy efficiency may be more important that you think. But I don't know what kind of saw this is and how often you will use it. If it's only occasional, I wouldn't worry about any of this.

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08/04/2015 2:54 PM

Either motor would work, but neither would be better than a table saw motor which is better for a variable load....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-Belt-drive-Table-saw-motor-820030-Rated-1-5HP-3HP-MAX-EXC-condition-/161761561647

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08/04/2015 2:55 PM

Compressor duty is typically a term I associate with grossly over rated motors. If you look at a 5 hp compressor duty motor and a honest rated 3 HP general purpose motor you will see they have almost identical amp inputs and general specs.

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08/04/2015 4:57 PM

Ron,

Be on the lookout for an old repulsion start/induction run motor. You will be able to saw ironwood without stalling.

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08/05/2015 8:35 AM

Lots of good advice in the thread. Only one thing I can add, and that is the motot enclosure itself. You will want an "enclosed" motor to prevent foreign materials from entering. Most common off the shelf are TEFC(totally enclosed fan cooled). You don't say what the saw is to be used for, so, unless you are going to be using it continually and on a regular basis, I, personally, would base my selection on price.

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08/05/2015 1:40 PM

Compressor Duty might also mean a greater starting torque is available. I'd also go with a TEFC for a 3 HP saw motor. Would assume it's 3 phase at that HP.

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08/08/2015 4:07 PM

Thank you all. The motor is for a 10" cabinet saw. The reason for the question is; the common 3 hp, single phase motor used on saws of this size are purpose built and have typically been made by Baldor and Leeson. They are quite expensive, so that is why I am looking for a less expensive motor. Frame size is not an issue, as I can make a suitable mount adapter.

I used to have a repulsion start induction run motor many years ago. It was only about 1/3 hp, but twice as heavy as a modern motor. IT sure had a lot of torque.

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