Smart Meter

If this is for customer metering of a utility supplied service, forget it. No NA utility would allow a customer supplied meter, whether smart or dumb, to be used for revenue metering.

Can you use a USA smart meter on the South African grid?

Yes it will work just fine for personal use.

No.

SA is 230V 50 Hz.

When it is smart enough, the meter doesn't bother of the 50 Hz and will also work on a 110/125-0- 110/125 VAC grid. (LCD displays and microprocessor type)

In private applications of course or as serial meter of a boat or vessel.

We see them every day.

according to the op, he is talking about 110 vac and 60 hz.

He is asking if it is OK to use a 230v 50 Hz South African meter on 110v 60 Hz USA service.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I understand he has 110-0-110 Volts/ 60 Hz to apply it to.

What is the voltage there with you? Here it is 125-0-125. Tks

Yes, but it's a 230-0-230 volt meter. See post 15. If the meter is smart enough, and used for self purposes... 125 volts is high-line in the US, 105V is low-line, 115V is normal-line. Mine is near 120V most of the time.

Where can I get a split smart sts meter to submeter USA electrical grid single phase 3 wire 110..220volt/60hz???thanks

They sell them on Ebay..What is the purpose of this meter?

"The problem comes when you try to charge the tenant for electrical usage. Many utilities specifically prohibit sub-metering when it is used to bill tenants. If the utility doesn't have a problem then more likely than not the governmental agency overseeing landlord-tenant relations will have a problem. It all stems from being absolutely certain the tenant is billed properly and THAT is dependent upon both the meter being read properly AND the accuracy of the meter being without question."

Not a chance!

My original question is a technical one not legal one,.the market is full of sts smart submeter..but none of them fits USA electrical grid (single phase 3 wire 110/220 volt to neutral 60hz)..south Africa is a leading in this technology ,but voltage and phase are different from usa. Does anyone knows any that work in the US?thanks

How about providing a make and model number, saves a lot of guess work...

"Can I use south African smart meter in the USA grid"?

Why waste everyone's time here?

Why not pose this technical question to the:

Standard Transfer Specification Association NPC / 95/08496 ...

Or:

Prepayment Standard Transfer Specification: An IEC ...

You would be surprised, once you get into the software, how many parameters you can change to make it work in hell and heaven and everywhere between.

Most are accessible through a optical slot.

Make and model of course will have us out of the guess game.

You can attach any meter that you want as long as it is installed after the utility metering equipment. You will be responsible for its correct setup and calibration, but the readings that you get are for your own personal use and cannot be used for revenue purposes (to bill someone else) or to dispute the utility's meter. Also be aware that some smart meters have a radio communications module built in, if so you must disable it or face some very stiff legal action and fines.

"Also be aware that some smart meters have a radio communications module built in, if so you must disable it or face some very stiff legal action and fines."

Actually I have a number of old meters that have the transponders still intact and working that I occasionally use for personal load tracking and what not. I asked my local power company about me using them and if they would cause and problems and they said no problem being the odds of them being programed to work with their systems and be acknowledged by their system was extremely remote.

As I understood it unless they have the correct and exact transponder address and related information programed into them they are basically invisible to their end of the system.

Basically how does a computer set up manually with the wrong IP adress interact and affect your home internet system?

I figured you'd just wrap them in aluminum foil.

Obviously it doesn't, but many earlier meters used proprietary frequencies that were used on the general services bands and might encroach on emergency service communications in different locations.

Since we are not privy to the make and model number general information is used. As far as the meters use per se, there should be no objection, the utility doesn't care what happens on the customer side of their metering, I have a few myself for energy audits.

If it's a smart meter....??!!

...it still can't compensate for dumb users!!

Consult the Installation & Operations Manual to determine compatibility.

If you do not have the IOM then call the manufacturer.

Only the Original Equipment Manufacturer can accurately inform you of the meter's capabilities and compatibility.

Possible issues with compatibility are:

50HZ vs. 60HZ (Possibility of incorrect power consumption reporting/display and/or meter failure.)

Incorrect meter stab/pin connector configuration and/or physical size.

In view of this, why would you want to? I would be interested in anybody's facts on this much more that their opinions.

Fact is, I've had one for over two years.

I can't say that I've noticed any difference in me.

Oh, did have to give in and get hearing aids last year.

We are bombarded with sooooo much radiation already that who's to say.

Think cell phones.

I see many women driving along looking out the side window of their Hummer for that new boutique, talking on the cell phone to their BFF who's coming along behind her, putting on her makeup and sipping an espresso mocha latte cappucino coffee that I wonder why more people aren't run over every day.

I am sure of one thing. We're all going to die from something.

It's too late for me to leave a good looking corpse, so I don't really give a damn what it is that kills me.

That's a crock!

Your bogus propaganda would have us believe that NO pedestrians are killed by inattentive drivers?

Where'd you dredge that trash up?

They were all killed by inattentive drivers, pedestrians have the right of way. Anyway how could any one miss some one sleeping in the road way unless their asleep themself.

I do agree the form does seem to put the blame on the pedestrian.

Hummer drivers can afford the very best, most expensive lawyers.

I resemble that remark. LOL

I think all engineers, technicians, and scientists should be buried face down with their buttocks sticking up out of the ground in the parking lot at the company they spent the most time with.

Doing so would provide two advantages:

1. Reduce the area required for public cemetery burial.

2. Provide a place for all of the "eco-friendly" bicyclist to park their ride.

There is no need to take it as all incoming supplies in the USA are metered already.

Leave it behind in South Africa, and use the baggage allowance for something worthwhile.

I give up.

What we have here, is failure to communicate.

It might not be possible to use because the protocols of both will be different and it is not possible to downlaod the data from the meter.