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Diplomatic Immunity

09/15/2015 2:38 PM

and I thought it was London that had this problem when middle East money came to summer vacation. claiming immunity is complete BS. they should be jailed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235256/Driver-caught-Beverly-Hills-street-race-involving-5M-Ferrari-Porsche-claims-diplomatic-immunity.html#v-4486351773001

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Re: Diplomatic immunity

09/15/2015 2:43 PM

the Ferrari like most exotics has lifts for entering driveways and dealing with speed bumps, I guess this guy never had that explained to him

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09/15/2015 3:00 PM

Yeah tell the family of Yvonne Fletcher

A tad more important than some twats with Affluenza...

Bang 'em all up.

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09/15/2015 3:26 PM

Dietrich's back.

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09/15/2015 4:00 PM

The cars if involved in illegal activity or improperly registered for use can be impounded...no immunity for that...and no immunity from public outrage either...

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09/15/2015 4:41 PM

A problem I see is the skunk teasers were not caught in the act by the police. The police appear at their residence after the fact, which is understandable, considering a high speed chase after a low flying bomb would be futile and kill innocent people.

I think this should be considered an act of terror, by "Homeland Security" and "diplomatic impudents" waved.

"Diplomacy: The work of maintaining good relations between the governments of different countries."

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09/15/2015 5:14 PM

Typical money rich SCUMBAGS!

Flick a cigarette at me and find out just how that diplomatic immunity serves you from a hospital bed in ICU!

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09/15/2015 5:26 PM

pricey.....LaFerrari: Only 499 were built and they are all sold, even with a $1.4 million price tag. LaFerrari is fastest, most expensive and totally sold out. LaFerrari: Only 499 were built and they are all sold, even with a $1.4 million price tag. It's the fastest production car Ferrari ever built.

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09/16/2015 12:35 AM

diplomatic immunity in the UK is extended to ALL diplomats providing they present their papers of assignment to the embassy for their government to the Home Office in the UK

This allows the diplomat all the perks of that status, and in many/all cases it is extended to the immediate family of the diplomat.

But fracturing the laws of the country is not allowed and pressure will be exerted on the Ambassador to send home those that continuously fracture laws. While it is a rare occasion, it has happened in the past.

I doubt very much if these muppets had DI, but they used it as a way to deflect problems. As for driving around on foreign licence plates suggested that these vehicles were imported, and correct me if I'm wrong, while imports are allowed in the US, is there not a clause to that import that the vehicle must be registered in the US to obtain state plates.

The only way to prevent this is to refuse to give them insurance, which is what happens in the UK, as in the UK no car can drive on the road without insurance, which means the police can impound the vehicle and they will not release it until a valid certificate of insurance is presented.

How do the UK police know which car is insured? ANPR Automatic Number Plate Recognition. This system can within 5 seconds tell a mobile police unit all the details regarding the driver, driving licence, test certificate and insurance. If the computer flags up there is a problem, the vehicle is stopped and it will be impounded if there is no insurance, no test certificate, no drivers licence.. etc, etc...

That's how they are stopped in the UK

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09/16/2015 10:14 AM

"That's how they are stopped in the UK"

And how do we stop them in America? *BOOM* "It's just been revoked."

Okay, that's just in the movies, but it would be cool if we COULD do it that way, for the obvious scofflaws and buttholes.

( does a Wiki search on Qatar ... )

Ah, one of the 'Oil Rich Islamic States fun by an Absolute Monarchy.' I hate to get into politics here, but if the GOP really wants to 'win' this 'war on Islamic Terrorism,' they should be pushing a lot harder on pushing alternate energies and removing America's dependence on Oil. If we don't need Oil, we don't need Foreign Oil. If we share the non-Oil-based energy solutions with our allies, we severely reduce the economic power of the OPEC nations. If we share the solutions with the world, then we send the Middle East back to the days where they prayed for the locusts to come, because they could catch the bugs for food.

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09/16/2015 11:11 AM

The article does mention that the incident was reported to the US State Department, which has jurisdiction in such cases. Even if the individuals involved have diplomatic status (which has not been establishes) they can still be expelled from the US if they are deemed to be a threat to public safety.

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09/16/2015 11:13 AM

my guess is they do not, its just a whiney comment to duck responsibility

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09/16/2015 12:47 PM

You are probably correct. These are just a bunch of spoiled kids from a country where they can have anything and do anything if their family is rich and powerful enough.

And if one of them smoked his Ferrari, I'm sure daddy will buy him another one.

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09/16/2015 12:55 PM

"Daddy, I tire of this stinking car, can I have another?" Do not bother me now son, I am trying on my new Herpes.

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09/16/2015 1:02 PM

Like the kid in Europe who set his Porsche on fire, to try and collect Insurance money and have Dad buy him a NEW one...

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09/16/2015 1:15 PM

that was a Ferrari as well

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09/16/2015 1:05 PM

Ah yes, the declaration of Persona Non Grata, otherwise known as "Take your butthole back and send us a new diplomat, we don't like this one anymore."

If those guys are family of a diplomat, then the diplomat is responsible for them; we can't kick the diplomat's family out, but if we kick out the diplomat, he has to take his family with him. So these jerks may have just screwed their dad/uncle out of a cushy job. And if so, with Qatar being under Shira Law, Somebody may end up beheaded for 'shaming the family.' (Or he may just get sent off to a different Western country to be a butthole over there. Shira law seems to function like American law in that respect; the rich seem to be able to get away with murder while the poor are brutally punished for trivial things.)

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09/16/2015 1:00 PM

There are (used to be) ways of complying with insurance laws in the US, if you can post a bond or show proof of financial responsibility. This used to be the case, but am not sure now. If so, it would be no problem for these rich folk to skirt US insurance company laws.

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09/16/2015 5:10 PM

It's called "self insured" and the self insurer must put up a bond of I believe $1,000,000 minimum, but seeing as they are paying nearly $50,000.00 a month for that house, I don't really see that as an issue!

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09/16/2015 11:11 PM

Self insured in the UK is now only for large organizations and the like. For example the largest fleet operator in the UK is the Post Office, and they self insure.

It is extremely difficult for Joe Public to do that, unless he/she can tick all the boxes, as to what those boxes are, I'm not 100% sure, but I do know the rules have been tightened up.

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09/17/2015 9:23 AM

Brich,

Very true. However I believe that the amount of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ you have in your bank account has a LOT to do with it too.

These spoiled Uber Riche brats will never take personal responsibility for their actions and if they killed someone, they would just hop on DADDY'S jet and fly home to their non extradition country!

Daddy, daddy, I..... I mean they wrecked my Ferrari!!!!!

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09/17/2015 9:57 AM

In my opinion, this is just an example of creating headline news and the whole thing is out of context.

I think the number of arse-holes that are uber-rich are far outnumbered by the number of arse-holes that are destitute poor.

The problem with the destitute poor is that things like racing on the street with a Ford Grenada doesn't sell much in the way of advertising on the "front page" news, but no less deadly.

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09/17/2015 10:50 AM

"DESTITUTE POOR AHOLE, CLAIMING DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY, IS SHOT DEAD BY POLICE!"

Swat team leader officer Crumpki, stated: "It was a misunderstanding, we thought diplomatic immunity meant the perp was immune any diplomacy, besides, he was carrying a ford Grenade".

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09/17/2015 10:08 AM

I don't believe the tangent on insurance is relevant here. this has more to do with a complete lack of respect for your hosts nation and it's laws because some people feel the only law that applies to them involves vast sums of money. blowing through stop signs @100 MPH in a residential area is clearly inexcusable and shouldn't be tolerated. I say jerk the immunity status and kick them out to set a tone if they threaten to import less oil tell their daddy WE DONT GIVE A FRACK about your oil!

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09/16/2015 1:06 PM

Beverly Hills, and adjacent have become overrun with wealthy Arabs and Persians. Take a look at he architecture of their mansions, with marble columns, gaudy statues etc. Many years ago, a Saudi Prince made headlines with many nude statues built surrounding his mansion, on Sunset Blvd. His mansion later burned to the ground, and could not be saved, due to the fire companies unable to get through the copper roof in time. "Arson was suspected…"

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09/16/2015 1:21 PM

I know it's wrong to take pleasure in another's misfortune, and I feel terrible for doing this, but when the 'stupidly rich' end up suffering from what is, in part, their own oppulance, part of me just wants to go:

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09/16/2015 1:50 PM

I have , but two thumbs, and , and they are both up. Like yourself, I gain "no pleasure " in others' misfortunes, BUT, I do relish Karma , if that is the case..

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09/16/2015 3:52 PM

It seems to me that if our State Department grants diplomatic immunity, then they should assume the liability of the damage/carnage etc. that is caused by those diplomats.

The burden shouldn't fall on the innocent citizens/victims to eat it with no recourse!

Maybe if the State Dept. had to pay restitution and diplomat's fines, they might dole out some consequences to the diplomats. Also, more violations would likely get reported and better identify the bad apples.

How many violations don't get reported or documented because they are assumed to be untouchable?

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09/16/2015 3:56 PM

all joking aside I'd bet a very quiet donation will be made to Beverly Hills in some form and this story will evaporate

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09/16/2015 4:01 PM

Agree--Except it is still OUR money that pays for it. I forget how much money was owed, just in New York and Washington D.C., for traffic violations and parking fines, by cars using Embassy Plates.

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09/17/2015 1:16 PM

The ones who should be liable are the countries the diplomats are from.

The purpose of Diplomatic Immunity is to allow representatives from different governments to work together free from 'harassment' by the host nation. For example, if Upchuckistan has a law that spitting on the ground is like flipping someone off, and Wegotnowatahdownhere, a perpetually try land, has a tradition that a visitor spits on the land of the person he is visiting, showing respect by symbolically helping to water the crops, the two countries would be in perpetual war over a culture clash without Diplomatic Immunity, the visiting diplomats would be reminded by their liason that 'spitting is a insult here'/'not spitting is an insult to your host.'

Now, if grabbing a French Poodle by the tail and swinging it over one's head is a crime in both countries, then the diplomat has no excuse, "You idiot! Not only is Poodle Twirling a crime here, I know it's illegal where you come from too. The text of our diplomatic treaty says we cannot lock of each others' diplomats, but we CAN confine them to their Embassy grounds if there's a problem. You can still conduct your business, we'll send the delegates to you so you can talk with them and sign documents together. And now my boss has to go write a letter to your boss about this poodle-swinging. There were even five witnesses, three men and two cops, plus some women were there too. I'm afraid my boss will be telling your boss we don't want a poodle-swinger running around in our country, and it'll be up to your boss as to what he'll do to you when you get home."

If Qatar has cars, they likely have traffic laws, and one is expected to obey the posted traffic laws of wherever one is driving. The Brittish Ambasador cannot drive on the left side of the street in DC just because 'that's the way we do it at home.' and stop signs and speed limit signs are Posted Laws.

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09/21/2015 2:40 AM

One of the biggest problems London has with Diplomatic Immunity is that the inhabitants of Grosvenor Sq refuse to pay the congestion charge and as there are rather a lot of you this comes to quite a big bill. Still when you move to Fortress Nine Elms that bill should go down.

There isn't so much of a problem with speeding because you cant get even those exotics up to more than about 20mph before hitting a red light or a traffic queue, but the arrogant to55ers do spend a lot of time over revving their over powered big boys toys. and disturbing everyone's sleep - but as its the inhabitants of the Royal Borough sympathy is generally lacking.

Whilst I love the spitting / poodle twirling example I think sadly there are many countries where those in power murder, rape and pillage with impunity and so expect to do that in other countries as part of their cultural rights. I do wonder though if HMs man/woman in Washington chose to drive on the left what would be the reaction of the local law enforcement - obviously shoot first is an option but could he/she actually be prosecuted for road stupidity.

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10/03/2015 2:24 AM

I do wonder though if HMs man/woman in Washington chose to drive on the left what would be the reaction of the local law enforcement - obviously shoot first is an option but could he/she actually be prosecuted for road stupidity.

When I become a representative of HM to the USA... I'm gonna try driving on the UK side of the road in Washington... I'll let you know what happens

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