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Steam Heater for Drum

09/17/2015 9:50 PM

1. We have a 30MT drum with a single Coil Exchanger for heating. Supply is via a 4ins pipe with a 4ins Isolation valve.

2. 2 steam supply system - 1 =125PSi , 2=15psi steam. There is an isolation Valve before the coil.

Question what is the best calculated method to use.

1. Use the 125psi for general heating, max temp to heat to 60Deg C. 125Psi system can heat up to >130Deg.

2. When reaching 60 Deg , switch the supply to 15psi system such that it will never goes above 60Deg C ( Safety process specification).

3. Alternative, can we use only the 125psi system when temperature reaches 60Deg C, Close the main Isolation Valve, tap off a 1 ins lines with a 1 ins Control Valve , from the 125psi system , (bypassing the 4ins isolation valve ) and tie to the 4ins coil again. This way if full open the CV , it will not heat up above 60deg.

Plse to advice concerned of the 2 system been suggested.

1. Suggestion 1&2.- 2 system will be expensive to tap off from the supply header,one 4ins line (125psi)and the other a similar 4ins (15psi).

2. Any significant concerned using suggestion #3.

Reply for - safety, workable, cost saving, any other suggestion.

Thk U n best Rgds

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09/17/2015 10:19 PM

Is this some sort of theoretical question? With out knowing temperatures involved, as well as every other aspect of this system and environment including heat load and btu supply, no answer can be found....

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09/17/2015 10:43 PM

Tks , for the comment, any suggestion to improve . Rgds

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09/17/2015 11:57 PM

1. Call the equipment builder.

2. Call tech service.

3. Hire some competent help.

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09/18/2015 2:27 AM

Hi Lyn,

Thanking u 4 your time. I was thinking there would be some expert opinion, just to explore all possibilities.

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09/18/2015 2:25 AM

Yancheng Laiyuan electric equipment co. ltd supply industrial electric heaters

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09/18/2015 3:21 AM

What is a 30 MegaTesla drum?

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09/18/2015 3:25 AM

Tks for your response,

MT = Metric Tonne, good try Mega Tesla drum ????

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09/18/2015 4:24 AM

Dear Mr.powermass,

I need some more details.

1. What is the duration of heating per day.? - is it daily started and stopped.? OR once started continuously run.?

2. Why 2 pressures f 125 psi and 15 psi.? Do you have 2 seperate boilers or you are drawing 125 psi. steam through PRDS. The steam temp. at 125 psi will be 175 + ( Pl. refer Steam Table for Saturation Temp.) if desuper heating is not effective the steam temp. will be higher - I do not think the High temp is acceptable to you due to process limitation.

Running 2 boilers will be more expensive also drawing steam through PRDS will not be economical and with 15 psi steam you may need more time to heat to the required temp.

If continuous heating for days together use 15 psi steam will be economical and but initial heating time required is more and can be precisely calculated.

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09/20/2015 8:31 PM

Further to DHAYANANDHAN's excellent post there are some worrying aspects to to your posts

MT is Mega Tesla as a unit. Metric tonnes are shown as t (or occasionally te). The easy way to remember if a unit should have a capital is if it is the named after a person.

When quoting pressures it is always useful to quote absolute or gauge. As an engineer in oil and gas fields I would always assume gauge. This leads into the second point of learning how to use steam tables and also some standard knowledge.

I would have thought it common knowledge that 15psi absolute is approximately atmospheric pressure and that at atmospheric pressure water boils at 100°C. So I am not sure how you achieve the 60°C limit to which you refer.

The generation of these steam pressures is important because of the degree of superheat in the steam will effect the temperature.

125 psig Saturated Temp 178°C, 125 psia Saturated Temp 173°C

15 psig Sat Temp 121°C, 15 psia Sat Temp 100°C

However if they are both generated from letting down 250 psig steam (Tsat = 207°C) then the temperature if the steam is not properly desuperheated could be much higher than the saturated temps given.

It is normal to have at least a small amount of superheat in steam systems to prevent cold spots in the piping causing condensation.

Further questions would be

is the 30t mass the mass of steel for the vessel? This is for determining the total thermal duty. What are the contents of the vessel? (even if it is just nitrogen there is a thermal load)

Is the coil in good thermal contact with the vessel? Or is the coil inside the vessel and heats the vessel contents?

Why is 60°C so important?

Is the vessel well insulated?

If thermal connection is poor / insulation is poor then its likely to be necessary to use 125psiX steam to overcome these limitations.

If the heating process is carried out everyday then it is important to cut the time down as much as possible and so using the 15psiX steam for the initial heat makes sense. If this heating process is only carried out once per annual run then the time frame is less important and the lower pressure steam could be used.

How are you proposing to control the steam flow? Having two controlled heating fluids foes have some cost in terms of piping and control valves but this would seem to be a small cost compared with such a large vessel.

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09/22/2015 7:56 AM

When you drop the pressure to 15psi steam, the heat transfer rate (coil to process fluid) will drop proportionately, and you will not maintain the desired temperature.

2. When reaching 60 Deg , switch the supply to 15psi system such that it will never goes above 60Deg C ( Safety process specification).

I am not practiced enough to calculate the correct steam pressure to maintain the required process temperature, with a great level of confidence. I have seen similar process problems solved by trial-and-error in the past, by very keen process operators.

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