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DC Voltage for Safe Batteries Banks

09/28/2015 10:33 AM

Dear colleagues

I am contemplating building some batteries banks to do peak shaving.

I am looking at the 50kWh range, probably NiCd for a stationary application.

My DC/AC inverter can take any voltage between 12V and 350V on the DC side. Obviously, much more current it would be drawn at 12V and larger transistors will be needed in the boost circuit. But the balancing of the cells is a lot simpler.

My question is regarding the safety of such a battery bank as the nominal DC voltage is increased. Considering the large short circuit current available, I am trying to identify industry de-facto standards and their "raison d'etre". I intend to use a voltage level that is "popular" and as safe as possible while being as high as it can be safely handled by the general technical staff.

Ex: 12VDC used on cars

24VDC on trucks,

48VDC on fork lifts and communication (actually -48v)

125VDC in power stations

~300VDC to 450VDC on electric cars.

What level of voltage becomes risky in a commercial environment?

What level of voltage becomes difficult to protect? (Fuses, breakers...)

Why were those specific values selected?

Is there a consensus for the next high voltage level?

Any bad or good experience with these voltages?

Thank you.

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Re: DC voltage for safe batteries banks

09/28/2015 11:01 AM

Risk is relative to the training and ability to focus involved.

At 50 KWH battery capacity I would be pushing for the upper end of the DC working voltage range to reduce the size of wiring.

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09/28/2015 3:01 PM

I am actually more afraid by the available short circuit current than the size of the cabling. I often deal with supplies for thousands of amps but the SC is usually impedance limited by the transformers. Batteries packs (and capacitor banks) quickly exceed the 50-60kA that we are used to.

This is why I am looking for some guidance.

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09/28/2015 10:19 PM

Isn't that what using the correct type and size of fuses at the batteries is to prevent from happening?

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09/29/2015 9:43 AM

Most power fuses are rated for 100KA of short circuit current in AC. It is usually less in DC once the voltage increases above a couple of hundred of volts. Battery banks quickly exceed this which means that the fuses are likely to explode when they open under a short circuit. This is why I am trying to find the highest voltage used that has a good track record for safety.

People on this forum have practical experience with various applications that goes beyond simple data-sheet info. This is what I am looking for.

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09/28/2015 11:44 AM

In the USA we have NFPA 70E which provides guidelines and safety related information on electrical installations and maintenance.

As far as Arc-Flash exposure and personnel electrical contact risks are concerned the cutoff voltage for both AC and DC is 50 volts.

Working on any voltage equal-to or greater-than 50V requires specific personal protective equipment and clothing.

The "Bell Standard" for reliable DC system voltage is 48VDC because any equipment operating at less than 48V suffers severe issues when exposed to minor impedances caused by dirt, oxidization, and moisture.

As already stated the reason for higher electrical system voltages whether AC or DC is the decrease in conductor and equipment physical size.

I recommend you obtain a copy of NFPA 70E and review it thoroughly to help you in your decision especially if the project is in the USA.

If it is in any country other than the USA I recommend you identify what codes, regulations, and laws pertain to the installation and follow them closely.

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09/28/2015 2:56 PM

Thank you. This is a useful guidance.

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09/28/2015 11:37 PM

As others have stated, 48V has been the most used because of PPE, training and responsible personnel for safe operation above that. These systems have grown exponentially in use and higher voltages are now used but only by qualified personnel operating them. 50kwh is going to take up a lot of space, especially if lad-acid is used.

Contact corporations which would/do use these systems. Telephone communication companies are a good place to start but they are very secretive.

Contact manufacturers/suppliers of this equipment. You can get a lot of information during their sales pitch and you can ask them the questions you have. Try:

http://www.staticpower.com/industrial.html

http://www.alpinepowersystems.com/Products-Services/Backup-Power/Backup-Power-Products.aspx

http://www.smartpowersystems.com/

https://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-Services/backup-power-ups/Marine/Default.asp?cx=3

http://www.winkleindustries.com/content/products/electrical/batt-backup.html

http://www.panduit.com/en/home

Why reinvent the wheel when others have done it for you just for the asking?

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09/29/2015 9:27 AM

Agree, This is why I ask around.

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09/29/2015 12:27 AM

It's going to take a complete system study to help you decide, you can't just look at voltage and/or current and make your decision. The thought that raising the voltage to lower the current so as to limit the available short circuit current is true, but the amount of energy available doesn't change, 50kW is 50kW whether it's 50Volts times 1,000Amps or 50Amps times 1,000Volts.

From a safety aspect you're going to conclude that physical isolation is the key to minimizing your risk to personnel; then there's a whole host of other concerns such balancing the charge/discharge currents, the physical size of the conductors, managing all those interconnections, protecting the whole thing from a fault somewhere, switching that power level, monitoring/instrumenting the system, venting the hydrogen, etc., etc.

In effect this project is no different than interconnecting a huge field of PV panels and managing the power fed into the grid. You might also want to research what Fredski's buddy Elon is doing with his peak-shavers.

To answer the highest voltage question you might want to base your work on the US Navy Submarine Designs where the peak voltage of a fully charged battery was 385Volts, I'm sure Andy will jump in with some help on how the Royal Navy did it as well.

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09/29/2015 9:30 AM

I had not thought of submarines.

Thank you.

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09/29/2015 6:58 AM

While I am not sure of the standards involved, I can relay some observations from my own experience, here at work. One of my old programs, used a 30KVA Liebherr UPS. 3phase 120/208V Y output. It used around 192VDC. 16 - 6 cell AGM batteries in series. My current program has a 65KVA MGE UPS system. 480V 3 phase input, 208V three phase out. It uses 216 cells in a single string. 432V nom. The voltages, they chose, may have just been for ease of conversion, rather than any other standards, though. There are ARC flash requirements involved in working with these units.

An option to consider is -48V. One of the systems, that I work on, works at a nominal -48V. That is primarily because the system uses a Bell standard PABX system. -48V systems are a very mature technology. It has been the standard US telephone voltage for decades. Consequently, there is a ton of expertise, data and equipment out there, that is designed for it.

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09/29/2015 9:32 AM

Agree, -48V is looking like a good candidate.

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09/29/2015 10:32 AM

Take a look at battery powered fork lifts.

Their batteries are composed of single-cells,series connected externally to get 48volts.

The cells are huge and heavy,but most economical in terms of maintenance and replacement.

Look at their charging and control and protection schemes for guidance.

They have already done the engineering for these high KWH storage capacity type systems.

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09/29/2015 11:14 AM

I will.

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