Previous in Forum: Direct TV vs Cable   Next in Forum: A Fourth Law of Robotics
Close
Close
Close
13 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Anonymous Poster #1

How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 1:04 AM

People used to enjoy getting up early with sun rising, working on farms, agriculture, nature & birds, fresh air & water springs etc. Now, urbanization classified as "Development" promotes farms minimisation/elimination, replacing farms with concrete buildings, noise & pollution, canned foods instead of fresh one, driving & biking instead of walking & cycling, consuming excessive amounts of water, electricity, fuel, paper, plastic, chemicals, pesticides, generating lot of waste, gas emissions, etc. impacting "Global Warming" with aspiration for "Sustainable Development".

Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Power-User

Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 482
#1

Re: How urbanization affects global warming?

11/02/2015 1:09 AM

Like I don't know what to say, do you have anything to ask?

__________________
The doctor said "just one post or reply aday in CR4, take it or leave it". I said, "what does that mean?"
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Out of your mind! Not in sight!
Posts: 4424
Good Answers: 108
#2

Re: How urbanization affects global warming?

11/02/2015 2:13 AM

As much as I try I can not see your position in this question.

Urbanisation is said to have affected the measurements that fuel the global warming scam. A weather station that was in a none urban environment and resides in a urban environment now will measure the urban heat effect and it looks like warming when compared to old data.

What exactly is your concern? Is it the heat effect of our cities? Or global "warming"?

Make a research on "Sustainable Development" and add the problem you are concerned with to make sure you do not get an education on kids behaviour or production increase from farm land.

Come back here with questions to make sure you are properly guided and not mislead by all the information out there on global "warming".

__________________
Common Sense Dictates
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#3

Re: How urbanization affects global warming?

11/02/2015 2:38 AM

Urbanization actually provides many opportunities for more efficient use of fossil fuels...mass transit, high rise buildings, underground development, short commute, rail service, population density, nuclear power....most of fossil fuel use is in cars and trucks and industrial equipment, coal fired power plants, airplanes, ships at sea...

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#4

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 4:04 AM

Not sure I agree with the "enjoy" in your 1st sentence.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Eastern Arizona mountains on Route 666 about a mile from God's country
Posts: 1676
Good Answers: 122
#5

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 9:45 AM

The migration away from small family owned farms is not new as it started during the great depression then accelerated during USA post-depression years and continues to occur.

As the world population increases this movement will elevate exponentially.

Current world population numbers and geography make it physically impossible for every single family to own enough land to be self sufficient farmers.

Industrialized countries require large quantities of people to live in condensed sectors in order to provide the necessary labor and skilled personnel needed in the manufacturing plants.

Short of a catastrophic world disaster or all-out nuclear war wherein 60-70% of the world population is eliminated, there will not be a return to life as it was in the pre-depression era.

And by the way; The more automated the manufacturing becomes, the fewer jobs will be available further exacerbating the situation.

__________________
They said; "Brain size?" I heard; "Train size?" so I said: "I'll take a small one, thank you."
Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Optical Engineering - Member Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Member Engineering Fields - Systems Engineering - Member

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Trantor
Posts: 5363
Good Answers: 647
#9
In reply to #5

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 4:16 PM

The migration started well before the Depression. It actually contributed to the severity of the Depression. Men (and their families) had begun moving to the cities to work in factories since the hourly income was higher. Once the Depression hit many factories had to close, putting men out of work.

Most of the families that lived on farms did reasonably well. (The Dust Bowl that hit parts of the Midwest was a huge story, but family farms in the rest of the Midwest, East, and South fared ok.)

__________________
Whiskey, women -- and astrophysics. Because sometimes a problem can't be solved with just whiskey and women.
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Eastern Arizona mountains on Route 666 about a mile from God's country
Posts: 1676
Good Answers: 122
#10
In reply to #9

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 5:35 PM

I agree. Thanks for the correction. I think the industrial revolution actually had the largest impact on the migration. It does look to me like here in the USA around the time of the depression and immediately afterward it really accelerated. My Grandparents all said that there was plenty of everything available but most could not afford to buy much of anything.

__________________
They said; "Brain size?" I heard; "Train size?" so I said: "I'll take a small one, thank you."
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7025
Good Answers: 207
#6

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 10:08 AM

sorry dude but some of us cam off the farm and we enjoy calling out for a pizza, sitting on out butt and watching cable, you should take a Valium and join us

Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Evolution - New Member Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member

Join Date: May 2006
Location: The 'Space Coast', USA
Posts: 11119
Good Answers: 918
#7

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 11:03 AM

"Now, urbanization classified as "Development" promotes farms minimisation/elimination, replacing farms with concrete buildings, noise & pollution, canned foods instead of fresh one, driving & biking instead of walking & cycling, consuming excessive amounts of water, electricity, fuel, paper, plastic, chemicals, pesticides, generating lot of waste, gas emissions, etc. impacting "Global Warming" with aspiration for "Sustainable Development"."

That would happen if you kept all those people inside the city. So, what's your point?

For that matter, what is the point of your post?

Reply
2
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1071
Good Answers: 92
#8

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 11:40 AM

....and people also used to "enjoy" shortened lifespans, higher mortality rates in childbirth, limited access to medical and dental help unless you wanted to go to the barber or blacksmith, malnutrition and even starvation due to crop failures, wars (ok, we haven't done too well on that one), slavery, and a whole host of other interesting things.

The saying "jack of all trades, Master of none" fits well here. Part of the "development" you seem to dislike has involved advances that let people produce or store more food in a shorter period and for a longer time, thus reducing the amount of time needed to either grow or earn enough to provide for oneself and dependants. This (huge) expansion of time not devoted to eking out a subsistence living has allowed people an access to greater education and research that has driven the advances in both technology and society that we largely take for granted today, including the ability to take time to enjoy those very features you decry the lack of.

I won't argue that there are significant downsides as well, but this still doesn't change the fact each generation in the past 200 years in Europe and North America has largely been better off than the one before. Wonder what Laura Ingalls Wilder would have thought if she walked into a Laundromat?

Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Engineering Fields - Retired Engineers / Mentors - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Fans of Old Computers - PDP 11 - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stronger Than The Storm
Posts: 2394
Good Answers: 203
#11

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/02/2015 9:27 PM

What came first, the increased efficiencies in agriculture or the advancements initiated by the industrial age? Farming is more similar to a factory now than it ever was, be it the family farm or the mega-corporation's many farming locations. Industry made things to make the farmer more efficient at the farmers request. More efficient farms want to be even more productive so they go to the industries for more and better equipment to farm with. Industry sees a very good market for their goods so they design and make better farming equipment. Each section enhances the other until it becomes a continuous process. As things became more productive on the farm more people who wanted to leave left to eventually become the labor and designers of industries.

Each environment was not satisfactory to all. Have you ever been shut in on a factory floor doing the same thing receptively every 43.65 seconds? Have you ever lived on a farm and suffered from hay fever? Have you ever driven 25 miles for a box of Rice Krispies? (snap, crackle and pop) Have you ever lived in a building where no one has ever met their next door neighbors? The only thing you know about them is by the loud noises they make on the other side of the wall. Alas, different strokes for different folks.

Speaking of the glorious times on the farm, have you ever driven past a field that has just been fertilized with liquid bovine manure? No thanks, NIMBY! It's smell is worse than the socks of a high school football team after fermenting for 2 weeks.

Industry and farming go hand-in-hand. Each one needs the other. How many farmers would there be if there was no pharmaceutical researchers to find treatments for dysentery, yellow fever (remember the Panama Canal?), and others. How many pharmaceutical researchers would there be if there was no food to feed them?

Farming and Industry can not be separated into good or bad. They both are dependent upon each other. Global warming is due to both, not just the cities.

Good Luck, Old Salt

__________________
Any day on the green side of the grass is a GREAT DAY!, --- me +++++++++. I believe creativity is an inherent part of everyone. --- Kermit T. Frog
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Kansas, USA
Posts: 748
Good Answers: 64
#12

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/03/2015 8:52 AM

Once again the premise is off base with the assumption that: a) there is "global warming" and b) that man has something to do with it.

There are for sure cycles of warming and cooling over the thousands of years that records have been kept. None of those cycles are connected with anything manmade.

I would certainly agree that not all "progression" and "advancement" is healthy or good. We spend more on food than any country in the world and are one of the least fit people in the world. We Americans are becoming more obese and out of shape by the day.

__________________
One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do. Ford, Henry
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: South of Minot North Dakota
Posts: 8376
Good Answers: 775
#13

Re: How Urbanization Affects Global Warming?

11/03/2015 12:37 PM

So much I could say but so little I care to say to anyone who has to post anonymously on this topic.

Reply
Reply to Forum Thread 13 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Hero (1); Codemaster (1); facilitiesmgr (1); Fredski (1); IdeaSmith (1); JNB (1); Legolaz (1); old salt (1); SHOCKHISCAN (2); SolarEagle (1); tcmtech (1); Usbport (1)

Previous in Forum: Direct TV vs Cable   Next in Forum: A Fourth Law of Robotics

Advertisement