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Solar Power Generation

12/03/2015 11:36 PM

In Solar Power(PV System) Basic power generation is Signle Phase DC.

To convert DC current to AC Current Inverter is used.

And To Form Three phase power system from Single phase system... ?

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12/03/2015 11:43 PM

DC doesn't have phases unless you count on and off.

The inverter will produce single or three phase depending on what you buy.

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12/03/2015 11:44 PM

I only like 3 PH DC

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12/07/2015 12:58 PM

3PH is too acid. You better use PH=7, wich is ....neutral

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12/07/2015 7:37 PM

PH > 7 basic

PH = 7 no acidic, no basic

PH < 7 acidic

Fredsky made a joke, a 3phase DC. In the idea of a quasy absurd jokes, I mentioned the PH = 7

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12/04/2015 12:38 AM

Given modern electronic frequency and voltage control can somebody tell me why we still use AC Transmission?

Isn't the RMS power of AC only about 70 percent of DC?

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12/04/2015 2:37 AM

It's easier to step up and down with AC at V high voltages or currents. Ok semi conductors are good... but not that good... yet.
Probably loads of age old reasons which are about transmission lines, magnetisation etc.

I expect the Starship Enterprise is DC

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12/05/2015 10:27 AM

It's because AC doesn't have the distance limits DC has on transmission lines. That was the killer for Edison and why Tesla and Westinghouse won out on power transmission/generation systems.

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12/05/2015 10:45 AM

That's a myth. DC has no skin effect so all of the cross sectional area of a conductor conducts. Transmission line equations are much simpler when ω=0. The technology to change voltages is easier with AC than DC, particularly when the grids were first deployed. This makes it easier to compensate for transmission line losses and not to minimize the losses.

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12/05/2015 10:54 AM

This is true, but as the power increases, so to must the current or the voltage. And so, in DC you can't easily step up the voltage so you must increase the size of the conductor. Whereas in AC you can easily step up and then step down the voltage and get more power over the same size conductor. In long distance high power transmission, that means a huge difference in cost of wire and infrastructure to support it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents

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12/05/2015 11:20 AM

Steinmetz would disagree with you on the skin effect. He wrote the book, literally and figuratively on the subject. Page 14 Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses; Charles Proteus Steinmetz.

More can be found on the subject in his other writings. But the current is always on the surface of a conductor, no matter how small or large. But the effect is most pronounced in high-frequency AC, so is largely ignored at low frequencies and in DC curcuits...until there is a transient! Like opening or closing a switch or the creation of a short.

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12/04/2015 3:29 AM

I think that you may be getting a bit confused with the 70% bit, The RMS value of an AC voltage is roughly 70% of its peak , but the RMS value is that which has the same heating effect as an equivalent value DC voltage.

Many transmission lines are now using HVDC and it has many advantages including smaller and fewer cables, smaller transmission towers, higher transmission voltages, lower line losses, ease of synchronisation with other grids, etc., but generation is still better done as AC, AC generators are less complex and cheaper, transformers are still at present cheaper than the electronics required for AC-DC conversion and back again, and are more reliable, circuit breakers are smaller, cheaper and much faster in operation, which is very necessary to prevent catastrophic damage in the event of a short circuit, DC must be disconnected in a fraction of the time of that of an AC system to prevent damage. Swiss company ABB have recently developed a hybrid unit that can achieve this, but it is extremely expensive at present.

Even with HVDC transmission, the high voltages are still produced using transformers and again reduced at the other end using transformers.

AC is still the best option for local area transmission and both residential and commercial applications, and this is unlikely to change simply due to the economies involved. AC motors are cheaper and smaller, switches for AC are cheaper and smaller.

The economic break even point for using DC in lieu of AC for new overhead HV transmission is at present around 800km, and very much shorter for under water projects.

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12/04/2015 6:15 AM

Great information - Thanks!!!!!

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12/06/2015 11:46 AM

Due to a design defect (with which I got UL's attention) in a Maytag AC electric resistance dryer coil tube system, the burn-through of the coil and its subsequent explosively shorting to the tube housing, thereby severing the conductive circuit of the heating coil, occurred so fast that the panel breaker did not trip and the cold dryer spun through the rest of its cycle sans heat. Having a dangling 120 volts worth of open circuit microns from re-shorting is a situation that may be happening a lot more frequently than the mavens of the NEC would care to contemplate.

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12/04/2015 8:02 AM

There is a better control with AC transmission Gavilan.

Voltage step up and down is harder, expensive, inefficient and inconvenience in DC transmission compared to AC transformers.

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12/04/2015 8:09 AM

Switches, circuit breakers and disconnects physical gap sizing is the actual reason AC instead of DC is used for power transmission. Interrupting an AC arc path is significantly shorter length than DC because 50 or 60 times a second the current goes to zero.

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12/04/2015 5:47 PM

Actually 100 or 120 times a second... But who's counting

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12/04/2015 9:45 AM

1) Lower component installation and replacement cost.

2) Much easier and simpler to manipulate voltage level control for supplying lower voltage loads by using transformers instead of complicated, costly, high maintenance inverters.

3) Lower overall maintenance cost due to technical simplicity of AC components that require much less PM attention than DC components.

4) Because the cost to convert the existing power distribution grid would be phenomenal with the time required to do so causing extreme unreliability and instability issues that would result in serious profit losses for not only the power generation suppliers but also most manufacturing facilities.

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12/04/2015 4:35 PM

If there's one thing I never want to see again it is a DC ACB open under fault.

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12/04/2015 5:30 PM

Absolutely me too! Further more I hope I never have the duty to clean up the aftermath! (I had to wash my pants and drawers twice to get them clean.)

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12/04/2015 2:39 AM

Meanwhile back at the question.

If you want to grid tie to three phase, you could have 3 sepatate sets of panels and an inverter for each tying in one to each phase.

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12/04/2015 3:42 AM

Inverter.

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12/04/2015 7:18 AM

You have to add RLC circuit [IGBT amplified PWM modulator] with 3 outputs each one emits sinusoidal wave (voltage) with some amplitude to your liking(but limited on PV power capacity, of course) and each one 600 off phase from one another.

Three phase power is a sort of concentrated energy transmission. You must have lots of panels and/or battery banks then, ganesh88.

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12/05/2015 9:19 AM

Not sure ... But I hope there may be a Inverter(Three phase) which can convert DC power to Three phase AC power.

And I will feel better If someone explain about the technology for maintaining the phase angle between the three phases for the output power from Inverter.

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12/05/2015 9:41 AM

Have a look on google for the various manufacturers information.

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12/05/2015 10:26 AM

You will "feel a lot better" If you spend some time studying and understanding the field of Electrical Engineering!

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12/06/2015 1:20 PM

Try a basic internet or Wikipedia search first please. All the basics are laid out there to help further educate you in the fundamental concepts.

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