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Dover Hydraulic 2 Landing Elevator 1976 Vintage.

12/31/2015 3:23 AM

I have a 1976 vintage Dover hydraulic 2 landing elevator, that took a good power

surge. This elevator is pure electro mechanical, all relays, about 10 P&B relays,

and 21 smaller IBM wire relays. Blew the 3amp fuse for the 48 volt S- circuit.

After reworking all the IBM relays, the 48 volt circuit is now good, and the elevator

now works some. 280 volt door circuit is good also. The elevator will now go up

to the 2nd landing, and lower down to the 1st landing. However in both cases the

elevator stops whether going up or down at the slowdown switches, does not

level out on either landing. I do have the schematics. Does anyone have some

ideas on what to check next. I am getting ready to check the 3 solid state timer

modules, the only modern items on this elevator.

I have ohmed the four hydraulic solenoids, and they check good, up and down

speeds are good, not sure if the slow speeds are good.

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Re: Dover hydraulic 2 landing elevator 1976 vintage.

12/31/2015 5:49 AM

Schematics are hard to publish here (they tend to get grayed out and have too small type to be readable). Even so, it might be worth a try.

It seems that the control system is too complicated--too many relays, etc.

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Re: Dover Hydraulic 2 Landing Elevator 1976 Vintage.

12/31/2015 10:27 AM

What is the circuit elements downstream of 48V S-circuit? Trace it, if it includes supply to series of relays especially smaller ones, then its time to replace all because sooner or later, the same coil lost resistance problem will recur and its quite a hassle to your part and owners as well. You don't want anybody there to be trapped especially this new year's eve.

Anyway Happy New Year and God bless you Edward!

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Re: Dover Hydraulic 2 Landing Elevator 1976 Vintage.

12/31/2015 2:14 PM

Is this a rotary "pie cam" floor leveling system? Or a "floor bar" switch type?

If so; make sure the appropriate carbon brush switches have less than 1 ohm impedance through the metal pie cam or appropriate floor bar.

If the contacts do not have very low resistance through the circuits either the brushes, brush shunts, or pie cams are fouled or not properly adjusted.

These type of switches are non-lubricated and any lubricant applied to the conducting surface and/or switches will defeat correct switch and elevator operation.

Elevators are specifically designed so that no lubricants are needed on any equipment or controls other than the gear case and motor bearings.

The reason for this is to keep dust and other contaminants from adhering to the contact surfaces and/or bearing surfaces via the lubricant and causing component failure.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Dover Hydraulic 2 Landing Elevator 1976 Vintage.

12/31/2015 3:01 PM

I have checked all the relays, and ohmed the coils, all good.

I believe when the elevator contacts the slow down switches there may

be a timer that helps control the slowdown feature until the final landing

switches are contacted. If this is correct, then one of the timers is not

working. Will have to check them. This elevator has a TMS relay that is

controlled by a TMT module that has a diod, a electrolytic capacitor, and

a resistor block. Will have to check each component. The slow down, leveling

feature should last about 5 seconds for leveling purposes, and is not working

at all.

I also maintain a 1964 Dover elevator, and it is easier to figure out that this

one, because it only has the larger P&B relays, and about the only maintenance

it needs is replacing relays when one wears out. And you can still order new

relays.

These IBM relays are very hard to find, I have to find a near type relay, and take

the wires out of new relay and put in old relay with burnt wires.

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01/01/2016 4:24 AM

I will start at your replacement and rewired relay and move it to another position and move a good IBM relay into that position, if the fault move with the rewired relay then that is where your problem lay. Untill you did that you can not fault find futher. Electronics seldom have multiple faults, except if it was hit by lightning.

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01/03/2016 11:06 AM

Swells would have the same effect as lightning at frequent occurrence in long time.

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Re: Dover Hydraulic 2 Landing Elevator 1976 Vintage.

01/03/2016 11:02 AM

You said surge happened right?

It might caused by below to one or more of the relays or switches.

Nasty things happen inside switches contact points, aggravated by frequency of contacts, load currents and aging (corrosion).

If it's comprehensive contract maintenance, safety is always first in line. You would not only loss clients if accidents happens.

Statistics tells us, most victims are technicians (veterans and rookie), other than the passenger.

Don't gamble life with just a piece of relay.

God bless and be safe.

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Re: Dover Hydraulic 2 Landing Elevator 1976 Vintage.

01/01/2016 2:08 PM

Sounds like the either the stop and plugging(slow-down) are mis-wired,or contacts are bad.

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Re: Dover Hydraulic 2 Landing Elevator 1976 Vintage.

01/05/2016 12:55 AM

I am happy to report, elevator is repaired, and fully functional.

The LOT timer was not working, repaired, and found a rough wire

contact on one of the IBM relays. Also de-burred and cleaned all

the IBM plug in prongs. Also re-lamped all the indicators, and greased

the guide rails. Good for many more years of service, or another power

surge.

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01/05/2016 5:41 AM

Good and Glad for you, Happy new year to you anf family and enjoy the working elevator.

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