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Loose the Shovel

01/26/2016 11:33 AM
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01/26/2016 12:20 PM

Even if you don't melt all of the snow, melting a thin layer and breaking the ice-pavement bond goes a long way to ease snow removal. (At least that's my experience over the last few days.)

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01/26/2016 12:59 PM

I need to proof read this stuff

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01/26/2016 1:15 PM

How about charging the batteries in electric cars and melting the snow? Is it in the future??....what could it cost, a few zillion dollars ...hey they had electric cable cars for years....then again fuel cell cars could probably produce enough heat to melt the snow and ice with heavy traffic...

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01/26/2016 4:27 PM

"The power required to thermally de-ice the Roca Spur Bridge during a three-day storm typically costs about $250," the infrastructure to get the power to the bridge cost $450,000.00.

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01/26/2016 4:54 PM

It will pay for itself with the first wrongful death lawsuit...that didn't happen....

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01/27/2016 12:12 AM

But if the bridge has street lighting and other signage then the cabling is all in place.

Granted they haven't said what power and voltage levels are needed but at $250 I am not expecting an answer in MWh.

But its a fair point that the infrastructure is often over looked deliberately or not. I once did a study on using CO2 injection in the North sea for Enhanced Oil Recovery that assumed magically the CO2 supply was available and even then it was a bad idea (the CO2 cycled through the reservoir too quickly)

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01/27/2016 8:26 AM

This seems to imply this is unique. (???) Is it the concrete that makes it unique?

There is a bridge on a corner in the vicinity of the ARG refinery (former Kendall refinery) on Rt. 219 in Bradford, Pa, that has temperature sensors mounted on poles and a built in electrical grid that is heated when the temperature drops too low. It has been there for a few years now. I guess the difference is this application has a grid, while the article has conductive concrete. It is a very good idea to de-ice bridges, especially ones on a corner near tanks of petroleum. Launch a semi off that sometime, and we'd have one heck of an environmental disaster.

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01/27/2016 8:40 AM

a lot of my posts are about ideas or concepts that I find thought provoking. I personally don't find conductive concrete more useful than existing hydronics. as a widespread solution I never expect this guys idea to catch on but in certain smaller applications It could potentially find a home. I just found the idea interesting

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