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Repair question: Can you reinstall a shading coil?

02/17/2016 4:40 PM

I am having a problem with the shading coil falling out of NEMA3 & 4 freedom series contactors. Is it possible to mechanically reinstall them and keep them from falling out or is the only option to use an adhesive? Does anyone have experience retrofitting the contactor?

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Re: Repair question: Can you reinstall a shading coil?

02/17/2016 5:51 PM

Sure, do you have some chewing gum?

Or you MIGHT want to contact the manufacturer for their recommendation.

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Re: Repair question: Can you reinstall a shading coil?

02/17/2016 8:38 PM

I've seen attempts at repairing shading coils, but I've never seen one that lasted. The originals are pressed in under high pressure to where the coil deforms into the slot shape, which is usually slightly under cut. So if the coil breaks out, the slot geometry has likely been compromised and can't be repaired. Glue / epoxy will not stand up to the impact vibration for long. Here's a post from someone who did one, but I don't know how long it survived.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45234

More important though is that you have experienced this more than once? That alone is cause for some major forensic investigation. Broken shading coils are not common, most people in our industry never see even one. I was in the contactor business at one time so I've seen more than most, but that's still only a handful. I would be very suspicious of there being something about your application that's causing this. A likely culprit is "chattering" of the contacts. That can happen from the coil voltage being too low, or something in the control circuit that is "bouncing" and rapidly energizing and de-energizing the coil. I've seen that on improperly designed float switch circuits for example.

Another common cause is from people manually closing the contacts by pressing in on the armature window, thinking it is a "Go button". It is NOT!

When you do that on a large contactor like a Size 3 or 4, the contacts are going to try to separate when current passes through, because they design the current path like that on purpose. Current flows through what is essentially a horse shoe shaped path so that the magnetic fields created by the current try to force them apart. The coil is designed to overcome this force, but when you push that armature closed manually, your hand can't exert as much force and the contacts separate slightly. Then the current drops, the force weakens, you push it closed again, all in fractions of a second, repeat for as long as you hold that button. All the while, the parts are vibrating open and closed, 120 times per second. It's beating the parts to death!

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02/18/2016 12:18 AM

If you take a flat ended punch and spread the copper shading coil slightly it should lock in place.

Also make sure the faces of the laminations are clean and flat, they can be sanded down on a flat plate this will stop vibrations of same.

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02/18/2016 8:48 AM

The absolute toughest,most durable starter contactor I have ever seen was a GE size1,reversing contactor assembly,with mechanical and electrical interlocks.

It was a control for a clip control on a web operation.

It was constantly cycled from forward to reverse at the rate of about 2 times per second.

They ran 24/7 365 days per year.

These were replaced once a year as a PM measure.

I examined one after the lead electrician said that it had not been replaced in over a year.

The armature had taken such a beating that the laminations were almost cold welded together,and had almost touched the shading coils.

The coil was not buzzing,and was working perfectly.

I commented about the condition of the relay,and the electrician said that was not unusual,they all lasted over a year with no problem.

They only changed them out on an annual basis for PM purposes.

I wish I had taken photos of it and saved it for posterity.

Anyway, since then, I always spec GE motor starters for any 3 phase application.

This is not to be construed as a advertisement for GE,and I do not own any GE stock.

This is simply a statement of fact,and it may have been a fluke.

The motors gave more trouble than the starters,and I finally convinced them that a

pneumatic motor would serve them better,and the contactors were replaced by a

couple of solenoids.

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02/18/2016 9:51 PM

If they are working in a clean environment you should have a reasonable life, but if grease & grit etc gets into the works snowball damage will happen.

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