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Picking the Proper Bulb for My DIY Spectrometer

03/08/2016 8:26 PM

So I have found myself at a complete loss of direction. I have been working on a spectrometer for a while so i could better identify the elements I am recycling. I have gotten everything I thought I needed together and finally got it done. I even started another Youtube series on the construction so others can make on themselves. Which you can find here:
https://youtu.be/StPAnDU-Ptw

The issue I am having is the "Xenon" bulb I bought. I look at the spectra it puts out and it looks like nothing I expect. Of course I bought these from ebay at lowest price so I guess I should expect what I pay for. Here is a picture of the spectra of the bulb:

If you look at the graph listed here where it compares a mercury bulb to a xenon bulb you will see the spectra I am getting resembles a mercury bulb far far more than a xenon bulb. http://olympus.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/techniques/confocal/noncoherentsources.html
Ok, so I thought at this point that I bought a cheap Chinese knock off and I need to get a proper xenon bulb. This is where I find myself getting more and more lost. I saw this listing of a xenon bulb from Phillips and on the packaging it tells you to not throw it away as it contains mercury.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-Philips-D1S-85415WX-6000K-OEM-HID-Xenon-bulbs-car-headlight-Made-in-Germany-/151911370495?hash=item235e9f8eff:g:OQoAAOSwLzdWQ~ar&vxp=mtr
Am I simply not understanding the construction of a xenon bulb? Do all xenon bulbs contain mercury? If the bulb I have is in fact not a cheap knock off then why am I getting such strong lines where I shouldn't be?

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03/08/2016 8:35 PM

"Xenon short-arc lamps come in two distinct varieties: pure xenon, which contains only xenon gas; and xenon-mercury, which contains xenon gas and a small amount of mercury metal."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_arc_lamp

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03/09/2016 8:55 AM

That certainly can be the case, as even the graph that you linked resembles the graph I linked for a Xenon bulb. Is there a way I can tell if I can getting a pure Xenon bulb? It doesn't seem to be something that is advertised by manufacturers. The spectra I posted while it obviously isn't a pure xenon bulb doesn't have any xenon absorption lines at all much less layered with mercury lines.

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03/09/2016 9:44 AM

"An example is "XBO lamp", which is an OSRAM trade name for pure xenon short-arc lamp.[1]"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf5LFl7Lqqg

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03/09/2016 9:42 AM

Edmund Optics sells Xenon spectrum lamps and power supplies:

http://www.edmundoptics.com/testing-detection/spectroscopy/spectrum-analysis-power-supply-tubes/2500/

I am wondering, though, why you want a xenon lamp. Is it for calibrating your spectrometer? The mercury-xenon lamp you got can be used for that.

I've used spectroradiometers at work for a number of years and I've always used a mercury-argon calibration source, since it provides a broad range of spectral lines throughout the near UV to the near IR. There are a number of companies that sell mercury-argon spectral calibration lamps (Newport and Ocean Optics are 2 that come to mind right away.)

On the other hand, if you're looking at absorption spectra what you really want is a continuous black body spectrum with NO spectral lines. That way, if you see dark spectral lines, the lines are from the test item, not the lamp.

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03/09/2016 10:31 AM

I can calibrate using this mercury vapor bulb now that I know what it is. I wanted to use a xenon bulb as it has a consistent spectrum until it gets fairly deep into the infrared and this will hopefully allow me to see absorption lines. Is there bulb better suited for this or puts out a more even spectrum?

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03/09/2016 11:29 AM

Here's the spectrum for Ocean Optics' Hg1 mercury-argon calibration lamp. Other Hg-A lamps should be similar. The lamp produces spectral lines from the near UV (350 nm) to the near IR (1000 nm).

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03/09/2016 10:39 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-discharge_lamp

Here is a source of gas discharge tubes:

Gas Discharge Tubes at Amazon.com

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03/10/2016 5:06 PM

Would those gas discharge tubes give out the same spectra as a Xenon arc bulb? I would think that at the very least they would be significantly dimmer. I have been looking through my options in getting a hold of a xenon arc bulb and supply and am finding that it will be really hard to find a cost effective way of obtaining a setup for one (bulb, housing, igniter, and supply). The lowest power xenon arc bulb I can find is around 75w which is more than enough for what I need.
Thus far from what I see Oriel is a huge producer of these but even used I am looking at an $800 setup for just a full spectrum light. Does anyone know of a much smaller setup for around $300?

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