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Air Injection at Pump Suction Reduces Noise

05/27/2016 10:38 AM

Being a shift engineer is all about production so managing problems in due times is of vital importance. Following on the same timely tasks, one my weak acid (4% HCl) pump started making great noise (not bearing problem but cavitation I assumed), the standby pump, well its motor was no good so I had to think something up. It was FRP open impeller pump we use in HCl synthesising furnaces (via H2 & Cl2).

Had read somewhere that if you inject air at pump's suction, it is going to increase its NPSHa ..I cannot recall source. So what I did ..insert the service air (~7bar) via a flexible lead (throttled ball valve at upstream a bit) into the pressure gauge point at suction (unbolted gauge temporarily). Viola the noise highly reduced ..& provide me an ample time to get my standby pump running

I see no mathematical relationship to support my observation

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Re: Air Injection at Pump suction reduces noise

05/27/2016 11:16 AM
  • The first problem is that pumps for liquids are not designed to pump air and doing so may shorten the pump life. If the standby pump is unserviceable then the installation is one failure away from going out of business.
  • The second problem is that the fluid arriving at the destination will have air in it and this may or may not be an issue at the destination. Frothing may be an issue. Spraying acid around with expanding air bubbles there may be another. Also, delivery flowrates will be below design values, meaning that fluids are going to take longer to arrive, which may or may not be an economic problem.
  • The third problem is that the pipework upstream of the pump and the pump inlet connection may or may not have been designed to withstand the 7 bar potential from the air line. If some nutter inadvertently opens the valve fully, there is the prospect of pipes containing acid bursting and flying in all directions, invoking a measure of unpopularity with the facility's personal accident indemnity insurance provider.
  • The fourth problem is that the equipment upstream of the pump may or may not be able to withstand the possibility of 7 bar compressed air spraying acid into it, and may not be rated for the full 7 bar pressure. There is, therefore, the prospect of a catastrophic equipment failure.
  • The fifth problem is that in the event of an air failure, there is the possibility of acid entering the compressed air system, which might find its way to doing untold damage there, thereby invoking a measure of unpopularity among maintenance personnel and having a reach up to and including the facility's Directors.

If the pump has been cavitating before the air was introduced then there is a basic flaw in the system design, or the pump selection, or a blockage upstream, or a partly- or fully-closed valve upstream, or any combination thereof.

So:

  • priority 1: double-check upstream of the remaining serviceable pump for partly-closed valves and blockages, and have the obstructions to flow removed. Disconnect the air line and run without it.
  • priority 2: get the standby pump back into good repair and serviceable, for that is its design role as the business depends upon its being so.
  • priority 3: have the piping layout re-assessed by a specialist Piping Designer because it is one failure away either from an injury incident due to catastrophic equipment failure or from going out of business due to a (non-)catastrophic equipment failure.

In the absence of any of the above priorities being actioned:

  • Please ensure no other CR4 reader is in the area before continuing.
  • Ensure that all Professional Indemnity Insurance premium payments are up to date, for it will be needed.
  • Report to the local Human Resources representative and invite that individual to find someone else do the <...shift engineer...> job role.
  • Prepare a fresh CV/Resume as that document will prove to be of value very shortly.

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Re: Air Injection at Pump Suction Reduces Noise

05/29/2016 5:28 PM

I see no possible reason that injecting 7 bar air into a liquid pump system can have other than catastrophic results.

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