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06/12/2016 12:27 AM

N2 Stored in Pipe with High Pressure (470 to 800 psi) Mean,

what happened depending on the temperature, the pressure drooping or not ? ,If drooping means how we calculate the drooping rate ?

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06/12/2016 12:32 AM

Don't calculate it; just measure it. There are too many variables, including unknown leaks, to allow for meaningful calculation.

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06/12/2016 12:53 AM

Thank You for your Comments

But

In that Pipe already Hydro test Complete( Above 1.5*800psi ) , there have no leaks in flange and welding joint also. but the pressure drooped day by day .so only i asking is there any possible way to calculate the pressure drooping .

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06/12/2016 1:12 AM

Probably not--too many variables. For instance, do you know the external temperatures all along this pipe?

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06/12/2016 3:45 AM

temperature also we considered

but

Long time we stored N2 in pipe means any drooping coming or not ,because day by day appx 10-15psi drooped

one more doubt

if N2 is stored long time means what happened (stored in pipe with pressure)

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06/12/2016 9:21 AM

Hydro testing is a very good and safe method of leak testing. However, it is not a perfect test for gas leaks. As you've now discovered. Calculating the pressure drop rate is very simple and straight forward. ΔP/Δt

Once one knows the pressure drop rate and therefore the flow rate, one might be able to back calculate the leak area using the Venturi effect equations but that doesn't seem helpful to me. Knowing that the leak area is N square microns in area will not help finding this leak.

Depending on where this pipe resides, finding the root cause of this leak may not be easy. If this pipe is fully exposed then a soapy water exterior leak checking wash will produce tell tale bubbles at the leak site. If instead this pipe is buried in the ground then one might consider a radio-isotope or chemical sniffer injection into the N2 and using the appropriate sensor to find out where one needs to excavate. One might even find that an erroneous, porous pipe material (rusty cast iron) was used.

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06/12/2016 1:06 AM

With the ideal gas law or handy on-line calculator....

http://www.oceanhvac.com/nitro.php

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06/12/2016 1:57 AM

If you have a pipe properly dry and purged the pressure drop should be minimal....for instance 800psi at 80°F would lose only about 45psi at 50°F...

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06/12/2016 3:36 AM

thank you very much for your valuable comments

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06/12/2016 6:21 PM

1. Find the leak.

2. Fix it.

This will require that you pay someone who is competent to carry out steps 1 and 2.

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06/13/2016 6:07 AM

If 'drooping' or pressure drop is due to cooling then pressure will rise when it warms up. Apply simple Gas Laws (and lots of assumptions).

If pressure loss is due to leaks, then pressure will go on falling - regardless of temperature - but depending on source of N2.

Although back in my early days of pressure control, 'drooping' was a characteristic of the pressure regulator as flow increased.

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06/13/2016 6:11 AM

This type of pipe is the correct place to store nitrogen.

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06/13/2016 6:18 AM

Thank you

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06/13/2016 6:54 AM

I don't think so. That's an oxygen cylinder.

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06/13/2016 7:59 AM

No claim was made in relation to the colour of the "pipe".

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06/13/2016 11:28 AM

Cylinder identification used to be pretty important to me, to know that I was giving my patient the right gas. One one occasion I had to deal with the consequences of a nitrous oxide cylinder which had been filled with pure CO2. We never did find out why, but it was pretty exciting for the patient and for ourselves at the time.

For years the standard colour for a liquid oxygen tank was white (in the UK). When we built a new hospital, the new oxygen tank was green. I first assumed that this was because British Oxygen had been taken over by an American firm, but it turned out that the tank was visible to the neighbours, so they painted it green to blend better into the trees.

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06/14/2016 1:09 AM

Based on at least 30 years experience with compressed gas cylinders, the coloring io correct for a nitrogen mix.

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06/14/2016 8:15 AM

Based on at least 30 years experience with compressed gas cylinders in the UK, the colouring is correct for oxygen, see this chart of cylinder colours. Here too. You may enlighten us as to the standards for other parts of the world, but as far as I know the UK follows an international standard (ISO). The US diverges with the use of green for medical oxygen.

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