Previous in Forum: Help with Yamaha RXV 473 Ethernet Not Working   Next in Forum: Directional Relay RCA
Close
Close
Close
8 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 2

Understanding Dimmer Quality and Performance

09/18/2016 3:26 AM

First post, read through a couple of different threads trying to find an answer but did not find quite what I was looking for.

Was installing a new set of under cabinet LED lights this evening and all was going well. When I tested, I found one of the light bars was considerably dimmer than the other. Initially I chalked it up to a bad light bar but my wife persisted in berating my work and convinced me to prove that my wiring was good.

The wiring was fairly straight forward, there is a junction box in front of the light bars to accommodate a two wire plug, instead of plugging the light bar directly into an outlet. As a quick test, I took one of the other brighter light bars and plugged it into the same junction box, the light bar was as bright as expected. Still not convinced, my wife asked that I check plugging directly into the wall with the included wire. Surprised, the previously dim light bar lit up to full strength.

Perplexed, I busted out my volt meter and checked voltage at the non switched/dimmed outlet, it read 120V as expected. I then checked the junction box and was surprised to find that the voltage was reading 109V. I toggled the on/off switch and adjusted the dimming level, each time it read a max of 109V with a low of about 57V.

So... My question and/or reason for discussion is simple, is it expected to have loss of voltage simply by introducing a dimming switch, even when adjusted at "high", or do I just have a really shotty switch?

In either case, how would I identify a quality dimmable switch that is rated and/or capable of outputting 120V in it's fully on state?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#1

Re: Understanding dimmer quality and performance

09/18/2016 4:16 AM
Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 2
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Understanding dimmer quality and performance

09/18/2016 8:51 AM

Good morning lyn,

Yea, I'm not sure if you're being a slight bit sarcastic, cause that's the equivalent of saying RTFM.

I asked about help in understanding the why, and more importantly how to identify a quality dimmer. Random listings that happen to show up in a Google search don't really quantify the results.

Short of trusting the results page, how do I identify a quality dimmer and is it normal or expected that I would have a voltage drop from a cheap one ; I don't recall which brand dimmer switch I bought.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Understanding dimmer quality and performance

09/18/2016 10:00 AM

Not being sarcastic, just realistic.

If you expect that a forum member has analyzed all the dimmers on the market, a veritable Consumer Reports of dimmer switches, good luck.

What you will get here, are some member's personal preferences as to the brand they bought that they think is trouble free, perhaps.

I'd visit a big box store or a lighting contract supplier and ask someone who does have experience across a broad range of products. (first)

Good luck.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#4

Re: Understanding dimmer quality and performance

09/18/2016 10:32 AM

It's like buying fruit....Most of the time you get a good one...The good thing about electrical stuff is you can bring it back and get another, ad infinitum...

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Earth - I think.
Posts: 2143
Good Answers: 165
#5

Re: Understanding dimmer quality and performance

09/18/2016 11:29 AM

I can't help directly, but my advice is to buy one sold by one of the more reputable companies.

As an example, I bought some LEDs through Amazon, that burned out quickly. I the went to one of the big box stores, and bought ones that were labeled GE/Westinghouse/Philips/Sylvania... They have been working for the last year. Both sets of bulbs were "made in China", but my guess is that the ones from reputable companies have gone through a good QA/QC program, to weed out defective/marginal products. That is what keeps them reputable; putting out a bad product hurts their reputation.

__________________
TANSTAAFL (If you don't know what that means, Google it - yourself)
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9910
Good Answers: 1141
#6

Re: Understanding Dimmer Quality and Performance

09/18/2016 2:26 PM

Here is an article you might find interesting:

http://luxreview.com/article/2015/07/dos-and-dont-s-for-led-dimming

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Earth - I think.
Posts: 2143
Good Answers: 165
#7
In reply to #6

Re: Understanding Dimmer Quality and Performance

09/18/2016 3:47 PM

Yep. I find it interesting that their second suggestion was what I wrote:

DO stick to recognised brands

__________________
TANSTAAFL (If you don't know what that means, Google it - yourself)
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#8

Re: Understanding Dimmer Quality and Performance

09/19/2016 4:07 PM

The first of 20 questions: Does your dimmer include a click stop at full on? Probably not, then? I am no expert on these, but most dimmers I am familiar with were designed for use with tungsten bulbs. None of the one I have at home have a click stop at 100% (where one would expect the dimmer to be in 100% bypass mode, not active in the circuit at all). I do remember ones with click at the 0% output setting.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 8 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

James Stewart (1); jofficer (1); Kilowatt0 (2); lyn (2); Rixter (1); SolarEagle (1)

Previous in Forum: Help with Yamaha RXV 473 Ethernet Not Working   Next in Forum: Directional Relay RCA

Advertisement