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Rectangular Tubing as a Floor Support; Plan B

10/06/2016 12:55 PM

I have a partial basement under my house, in this area, the 2"x6" joist are spaced 16" centers with the area being 17.5'x17.5'.

I'm considering placing a cross support, perpendicular to the joist run, of 4"x3"x

.250" rectangular tubing, supported at each end. I recognize the level of flex as a load increases. Have considered placing 2 tubes side by side, welded together as one, to run the span. This would create a 4"x6" support with a 4" drop from the joist.

How much would this increase the resistance to flex and would the welds need to be continuous the full length of the beam or could it be a 6" weld spaced 6" between welds, top and bottom with welds offset of the gaps.

I wish to set up a king size water bed in the room above.

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Thank You for all your replies and input.

The house was built in 1919, so current code and use were not of thought when constructed.

Upon reviewing current wood floor joist load limits for what is constructed, the MAX span should be 8' to 9' for a common dwelling use.

I was hoping to support the existing floor without losing head clearance and maintain a full open area. Thank you for bringing to light I have been dreaming.

I came across the 4x3x.250 at no cost and wise to incorporate it into the support of the above room with the intend use.

Plan B: Again using 2 4x3x.250, welded together, with support at both ends and 2 vertical supports giving 4 equally spaced points of support. This is to placed at the center of the 17.5 span, perpendicular to the joist run.

In welding the tubing together, it creates a central web able to take a much higher load to flex, (this is my perception, I'm not an engineer) with the 2 outer side acting under normal flex loads. Or would it purely act as, 2 equal rectangular tubing placed side by side and the load equally distributed between the 2 pieces?

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Re: Rectangular Tubing as a Floor Support; Plan B

10/06/2016 1:19 PM

This would have been better posted to your original thread, instead of starting a new one.

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Re: Rectangular Tubing as a Floor Support; Plan B

10/07/2016 7:17 AM

This looks to me like a continuation of your other thread, so I've suggested to Admin this thread be closed as a duplicate. After, all, you'll only get the same answers however many different ways you ask the question.

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Re: Rectangular Tubing as a Floor Support; Plan B

10/07/2016 10:09 PM

Clearly you don't understand how beams work. To simplify it; The deeper the beam the stronger it is. Slightly more detail; if the maximum strength is required in the centre, the centre of the beam needs to be deeper. Even more detail; the beam must not be allowed to twist or move sideways. With this knowledge you will get more information from the answers that have already been posted. An alternative to a single supporting beam is to add more, stronger joists LVL for example. I guess about 8" x 3" . Also add noggings to stop the existing joists twisting, if they aren't already there. This solution reduces headroom by 2". Jim

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Re: Rectangular Tubing as a Floor Support; Plan B

10/11/2016 10:14 AM

AISC (American Institute for Steel Construction) or CISC (Canadian .....) are handy hand/reference books to have in your library. I don't have the most recent copies but they have all kinds of useful information, including beam tables for selecting beams, formulae for calculating stress and deflection and other quite useful information. Without actually doing any actual calculations you are probably better off with a WF or I beam - those are usually less cost than HSS (hollow structural section or tubes). General rule of thumb employed by a lot of steel suppliers who do not have engineer(s) on staff to do the calculation is 1/2" of depth of beam per foot of span.

However, you really should have it checked by a registered/professional engineer as they should also want to actually see the proposed installation to ensure that you have enough support for the sections you want to install. You say your house is 1919, so,,,, highly unlikely there are any "plans" still around. Better safe than sorry!!¡¡

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