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ABB ACS800 Problem

10/14/2016 8:07 AM

I am facing a problem of wrong DC BUS sensing in a ABB make ACS800 30 KW Drive installation. The DC Bus sensed by the drive was 675 V (CDP reading) whereas actual DC voltage when checked with multi-meter at the power terminals was 607 V DC.

This was causing the Brake chopper to become ON in stand still condition when there was no run command to the Drive. The DBR got overheated & finally the Drive was replaced with a brand new Drive.

The drive was opened by us and through checking was done. We are unable to locate the DC Bus voltage measuring / sensing point. However we have measued all passive components and removed all dry solders from the PCB. After that the difference has come down to 19 Volts. After two/ three hours keeping it ON,the diffrence goes upto 25 Volt

Can you please help me.

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Re: ABB ACS800 Problem

10/14/2016 12:38 PM

No, but I believe a telephone call to ABB is in order to solve the problem.

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10/14/2016 2:20 PM

You are screwing with an ABB drive? Do you know what these cost? Let ABB help you.

Programming and wiring them are one thing, but to go onto the circuit boards and dabble around - nuts!

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Re: ABB ACS800 Problem

10/14/2016 5:04 PM

"The DC Bus sensed by the drive was 675 V (CDP reading) whereas actual DC voltage when checked with multi-meter at the power terminals was 607 V DC."

It's entirely possible that you are measuring at the wrong point. The "power terminals"? An ACS800 is an AC drive, so you will not be measuring DC at the incoming line terminals, therefore you must be measuring at something labeled as a DC terminal. Assuming this is a Frame R3 drive, the only available DC terminals are for the built-in DC Brake Chopper unit, not the actual DC bus of the drive.

Did you read this carefully and understand the following?

20.05 OVERVOLTAGE CTRL
Activates or deactivates the overvoltage control of the intermediate DC link.
Fast braking of a high inertia load causes the voltage to rise to the overvoltage
control limit. To prevent the DC voltage from exceeding the limit, the
overvoltage controller automatically decreases the braking torque.
Note: If a brake chopper and resistor are connected to the drive, the controller must be off (selection NO) to allow chopper operation.

On that drive (again assuming an R3 frame), the Brake Chopper would be built-in and if, as you say, the brake is coming on and firing into the resistors, that means you are INTENTIONALLY using them. So did you turn off this function in 20.05?

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Re: ABB ACS800 Problem

10/16/2016 10:26 AM

Firstly did the new drive have the same issue? I cant remember if line voltage is measured and displayed on the CDP (motor voltage is), but if so, did it measure the incoming voltage correctly, if displayed? Its 10 years since I dealt with ACS800's, dont remember everything now.

Did the circuit boards or plugs that you seen when disassembling have any sign of corrosion, dirt, moisture, carbon etc etc? Are they conformally coated? From memory, the DC bus voltage is fed to the gate drive board and typically stepped down by voltage dropping resistor network. BUT I do remember something about a scaling pcb (whether Im thinking ABB or other), so maybe this was the pcb DC bus voltage might be fed to first - which could be the voltage dropper network/scaling pcb (as ABB/European drives do pass signals through multiple pcbs for various reasons).

I had ~13 year old 315KW ACS600 with complex intermittent error - traced the hardware error message source through the various cards via schematic drawings (I still have in a folder at work) to an intermediate gate drive splitter pcb between individual IGBT gate driver pcbs and the main gate driver pcb, and found slight corrosion on the pcb itself at the plug that carried the signal that the error was detected on. Simply cleaned plug/socket and pcb corrosion with CRC2-26, error never returned after that.

How old was the old drive and was it in a reasonably hostile environment? - ie; quite dusty, in or within 10km of industrial plant(s), reasonably humid (although humidity and 'fine corrosive elements' (eg; fine acid rain) 'in the air' are near impossible to detect by human eye and is only detected over long period of time on electrical/electronic equipment).

One other problem I came across on a 400KW ACS800 about 12 years ago was the max drive power rating displayed on the drive was 30KW when it was a 400KW unit. I got into the engineering menu (hidden completely) and had to set the power rating back to 400KW. I did find root cause of that issue, but cannot remember that now. So maybe the mains voltage level is set wrong in that menu (due to software glitch, etc) and now displays the DC voltage of a unit of the next voltage up, eg; instead of 415V mains rated now, it shows voltage of a 480V mains unit, (realising though the DC bus voltage is measured and not calculated from mains voltage, still may affect DC V).

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