Medieval Medicine Treatment

some of it, when they don't have an real understanding on how the body reacts to an infection, they come up with a way and try to make sense of it.

As far as pus or draining, its the body immune and defense mechanism trying to attack the infection and drain away.

And in the medieval times, even a small wound is life threatening.

We wouldn't get into leeching

Pus is a protein-rich fluid called liquor puris, usually whitish-yellow, yellow, or yellow brown in color. Pus consists of a buildup of dead leukocytes (white blood cells) from the body's immune system in response to infection.Aug 4, 2015

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I agree with Dr. 911 Pus is bad. None would indicate a clean properly healing wound.

Thanks Lyn, I'm eating my lunch while I read this.

Hey, what's a few dead leukocytes between friends? Bon Appetit!

Yes, Eating dead leukocytes strengthens the immune system, trust me, I'm a doctor.

You do a lot of complaining and blaming, but you give no real solutions, and by the way just giving people money is not a solution. and reiterating someone else's comment is no solution either.

Here is an example.

you now brought up and talking about CEO's pay, that's the other end of the spectrum...

All spectrum of pay should be addressed the together., that I agree with

As far as the minimum of $15.00/hour, I agree there has to be some government over sight to avoid sweat shop type of conditions figuratively speak.

But, it also comes to a point where each individual has to take their own responsibility to make his labor worth $15.00/hr without an arbitrary value of $15.00/hr automatically being disperse to each and every individual. In other words, each individual needs to avoid lifes poor choices, and if not, or if circumstances put them in a position (such as health issues as an example), then correct them,

Now as for as the upper echelon of the corporate ladder, put that on a tier system.

if the pay is say just picking a number, more that 5 times the average employee at the company that employees 100 people, it becomes heavily taxed,

If the company employee 1,000 people, the trigger of being heavily tax increases, when the upper echelon salary increases to 10 times the average employee yearly wage.

If the company employee 10,000 people, the trigger of being heavily tax increases when the upper echelon salary increases to 25 times the average employee yearly wage. roughly and simplistically speaking

and that additional tax goes to education whether it be for grants to students, or school upgrades, or as supplement to increase a person who experience an unfortunate life's episode (such as an accident or health issue) to assist getting them self-sufficient.

And here's something you don't know Drew, "Wealth can be wasted, period" it doesn't discriminate.

You are right, I didn't offer a solution. I don't know the solution but raising awareness of the problem is a start; that is what Ayn Rand was trying to do.

I am just sick of watching hard working semi skilled and unskilled workers who are working so many jobs they cannot even think of improving their skills. The skilled workers are often working second jobs so they can provide for their families.

Why has our society devolved into a situation where so man skilled workers are dependent upon social aid programs? This isn't just in one country, I have seen this all over the world.

I recall my world history professor speaking about Rome: he said that a wealthy citizen once was offended when he discovered that he had been talking to a slave who was educated and in some position of benefit himself and wore nice clothes. The offended citizen complained to the senate and eventually the senate decreed that all slaves must identify themselves with some sort of garment (I think it was a patch or sleeve). This lasted until the senators looked out into the common areas and discovered that they were vastly outnumbered by the slaves and changed the law before the slaves realized that they could easily revolt and win freedom.

This is what I believe Ayn Rand was trying to show. The working people who are earning the profits for the companies should be compensated for their efforts honestly. Should they decide to shrug, it would be as devastating as if the mythical 'Atlas' were to shrug and destroy the world.

Drew K

Yes, but he/she forgot to add water.

Lyn- I like to know your atitude to the provocation where I mixed pus and aerodynamic.

Thank you in advance

If Youtube allows, check the Tony Robinson series on the topic.

The only ancient cures I know directly to work are maggots, leaches and flesh-eating fish. All currently used, clearly in apt situations. Robinsons stuff is mainly hokkum being exposed, but you can google the rest. Very gross, but effective.

Festering pus needs to be cleaned, by any of the above horrible sounding methods.

Dr. Bluebottle at your service!

What is that? Whatever it is it looks to have a small leech on its neck-like area.

I suppose one of the benefits of using leeches it that they are pretty...

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By the way, if the picture in the previous post is some form of maggot, it might just be an unattractive example. Some maggots are much cuter.

Where the heck did you find my MIL ?

Just followed the trail of MIL specs to Etherville! Nice place.

Medieval medicine in what geographic location and under what circumstances? ...and by whom? ...

..."Arrow extraction...

Treating a wound was and remains the most crucial part of any battlefield medicine, as this is what keeps soldiers alive. As remains true on the modern battlefield, hemorrhaging and shock were the number one killers. Thus, the initial control of these two things were of the utmost importance in medieval medicine.^[82] Items such as the longbow were used widely throughout the medieval period, thus making arrow extracting a common practice among the armies of Medieval Europe. When extracting an arrow, there were three guidelines that were to be followed. The physicians should first examine the position of the arrow and the degree to which its parts are visible, the possibility of it being poisoned, the location of the wound, and the possibility of contamination with dirt and other debris. The second rule was to extract it delicately and swiftly. The third rule was to stop the flow of blood from the wound.^[82] The arrowheads that were used against troops were typically not barbed or hooked, but were slim and designed to penetrate armor such as chain mail. Although this design may be useful as wounds were smaller, these arrows were more likely to embed in bone making them harder to extract.^[84] If the arrow happened to be barbed or hooked it made the removal more challenging. Physicians would then let the wound purify, thus making the tissue softer and easier for arrow extraction.^[85] After a soldier was wounded he was taken to a field hospital where the wound was assessed and cleaned, then if time permitted the soldier was sent to a camp hospital where his wound was closed for good and allowed to heal.^[86]"...

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_medicine_of_Western_Europe}

& I thought I was having a bad day!

a typical trip to the liquor store in Detroit.

I'm still trying to figure out what's on the top of his head...? It looks like a gas gauge....

Patients unfortunate enough to visit Prince of Wales hospital in Sydney come out looking like this.

As a person who has chopped off most of my limbs only to have them miraculously grow back I can say that every deepish wound has three stages.

The oozing clear liquid stage is usually starts in the first week and ends in the second followed by nasty cheesecloth looking wet itchy skin that begins to form where the flesh was removed. By the third week scabs should begin to from nicely and in the fourth week all bandages should be coming off.

As a person who has chopped off most of my limbs only to have them miraculously grow back I can say that every deepish wound has three stages.

Nice to meet you Patrick Star....

Well.. I did slice off about a quarter inch of my index finger. and It grew back with no trace of the damage done.. When I retrieved the "tip" and went to wash it off my hands were a little shaky. I dropped it and watched it swirl right down the drain while pointing at back at me.. Rather ominous, painful and mildly humorous..

so, your last sight of your finger was it giving you the 'finger', painfully humorous.

A very facetious finger of fate at that.

So you ARE the Black Knight.

That?, Well that is just a small flesh wound

stunt double.. I saw this happen just this week!..

One of the best ways to fight infection and gangrene, is to remove the dead skin. And the best way in the wild and now medical approved procedure.... for the most part is to let the maggots take care of it.

I had a 'maggot based soap' or 'maggot based sunburn cream' joke in the pipe but just couldn't bring myself to post it.

You can all use your imagination instead, while considering what the 'maggot based bath and shower' concept I briefly thought of did.

Merry Christmas everyone!

<I'm dreaming of a white, wiggly Christmas....>

The soap that goes "fetch"?

Dear gurus and friends- Here comes a big surprise! My question about medieval medicine was only an excuse, I used this therapeutic belief to try to make clear to many people "world wide" for the practical value of my aerodynamic concept, that it is possible to gain aerodynamic lift only by implementation of bernoulli's law, without any vertical reaction! And most important- Lift can be gained without any vortices.

I've done for many years lot of experiments that confirmed my theory, there are scientists that support me, but all those experiments were not done in a windtunnel, without this, it is impossible to confirm my theory.

I don't have any formal education, but as I discussed this topic with experienced scientists, I succeeded to convince them that the vortex, is only a side efect of the lift .And that reaction lift is necessary only when air speed is more than 100m'/sec.

The scientists use to say that the question what came earlier- the chicken or the egg isn't important.

But I claim that when we are able to indentify the natural powers, we can develope better technology.

For this reason I was trying to find some example to support my claim, and then I recalled the story about pus as a curing factor!

dear az_native.... we'll take it from here.

Dear az_native,

Have you considered running for office? "No new taxes" might make a nice campaign slogan.

Just an idea.

The Catholic Medical practitioners from the middle-ages swore by fresh hot dung from the privy for your open sword wounds. Fresh hot dung poultice coming up.

And not that you might have lost enough blood and fluids already but the doctors of mid-evil times felt that letting out a bit more blood might do you some good. And by no means do you take a bath because bathing washes away the humors and maintaining the humors was essential to good health.

Only on CR4 can you find a "technical" discussion about pus!

Pus?,.... I thought we were discussing politics

..is there a difference??

Though some of us are old, none of us are old enough to remember the medieval period.

You've never seen Lyn, have you!

Oh, are we discussing Paleontology now?....

Trust you to dig that one up.