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Inverse tan calculations

08/10/2007 9:36 PM

Am I right to assume that tan^-1 = -0.017455064928217585765128895219728

It's been a while since I've done math, but I think its right. confirmation from the math wizzes would be good and much appreciated thanks.

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Re: Inverse tan calculations

08/10/2007 10:04 PM

or do I just simply,

if tan (1)= 0.017455064928217585765128895219728

then tan^-1 (1) = 0.0017455064928217585765128895219728

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08/10/2007 10:25 PM

Nevermind, the answer isn't hard to find.

tan (1) = tan^-1 (tan (1))

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08/10/2007 10:57 PM

I'm having one of those days.

this time,

its tan (a)=b

tan^-1 (b)=a

now thats the correct form

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08/11/2007 10:47 AM

that was a long winded way of stating the bloody obvious. If anything is raised to the power of -1 it's the same as saying 1/that thing. So if you then want the inverse of that you are doing the same backwards.

Your original number was tan(1)=X

not tan^-1

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08/11/2007 5:17 PM

see below Stirling Stan to reply 9 MACA , and guess also indicates to my incorrect question posed. I was having one of those days.

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08/11/2007 5:13 AM

Tan^-1 of what?

I understand 'tan^-1' to mean 'the angle whose tangent is'.

Please correct me if I've got it wrong guys....

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08/11/2007 10:40 AM

"Am I right to assume that tan^-1 = -0.017455064928217585765128895219728"

I think not so.

Tan^1 = 45 deg, = Pi/4 rad. = 0.785398164

This was carried to 9 signifigcant figures, which is in excess of most requirements.

Why the 33 decimal places?

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08/11/2007 5:14 PM

Hi SS

it's just that I was lazy to reduce the number. I didn't really concern myself with the significant figures. tho I do know the rules.

the corrected form is posted in the third reply I believe... but just to make sure

Tan (a) = b

arctan (b)= a

thats the correct relationship

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08/11/2007 11:42 PM

And then?

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08/12/2007 12:13 AM

The Wiki link below has a pretty good nutshell on trig. Trig conventions involving powers are confusing sometimes because people new to the convention might think you are squaring the angle instead of it's trigonometric result. sin^2(90)=(1)^2, not sin(8100)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometry

sin^3(alpha)=(sin(alpha))^3

sin^-3(alpha)=(sin(alpha))^-3=1/(sin(alpha)^3

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08/12/2007 5:59 PM

Hey thanks,

I found an arctan calc, and just used that. arc tan calc link

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08/12/2007 3:47 AM

...I am off to read something tamer than Trig Math, you guys seem to get all het up for nothing?

Good that we do not all live on the same street, it would be red all the time!!

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08/12/2007 11:59 AM

I agree with you Andy. I'll join you in something more satisfying than wittless arguing over nothing.

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08/12/2007 2:15 PM

Well put Sir, thanks for your comments.

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08/12/2007 2:20 PM

I agree too - So I will see you down the pub in an hour then eh??

Drinks on Aquerius I think !!!

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08/12/2007 6:02 PM

I'll check my bank balance. damn... have to use a rain check/cheque.

anyway, well said and good point.

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08/13/2007 2:43 AM

aw, youguysall give up on an argument too soon !

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08/12/2007 7:34 AM

It would all be a lot clearer without those horrible hat (^) signs.

The super-script function in editor has it's uses, not that using tan-1 instead of arctan is any nicer. 'arctan' should just be 'arctan' so as to avoid confusion with inverse functions. Heck it could go mad with (tan-1(-1-1))-1 ! And no, the last bit isn't a &*%^** factorial sign ! My God, it could get repetitive.

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08/12/2007 6:04 PM

It never occured to me to use them.

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08/13/2007 8:58 AM

FYI - Several personal attacks have been deleted from this thread, a gentle reminder to all that this is a moderated forum.

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08/13/2007 9:01 AM

Well done.....and thanks.

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08/14/2007 10:04 AM

Once again Electro,

I don't know how I got started on the wrong foot, but I do think you know yourstuff!

I still think one should make windings, even if just for the experience.

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08/14/2007 11:27 AM

"I still think one should make windings, even if just for the experience."

Anyone can get some real world experience in winding a Moeibus Coil or a Moebius Coil.

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Mobius Coil, Crystal Orgon Orgonite

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08/14/2007 12:02 PM

Hmm. This 'electro-macrami' type stuff is interesting. This link leads into all sorts of things.

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08/14/2007 12:09 PM

I also had a look, I cannot see what all the fuss is about, what can you do with it?

Did you look at the YouTube (something) cloud buster!!! It was just a huge waste of time, copper pipe and resin......not to mention a plastic bucket!!!

and it also seems to do nothing...

Its a bit like area 51.......!

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08/14/2007 12:54 PM

.....well the link I posted leads here. Darn that Kate Bush and her orgone inspired song. Making windings looks interesting enough, but spaceships does seem a turn too far.

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08/14/2007 4:04 PM

I said the last time :- "Its a bit like area 51.......!"

...I see no reason to change my comment.

Please nobody should confuse the word "comment" with "compliment" though......!

That is not really what I personally want to see on CR4, but each to his own....

Sorry Guys.....

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08/14/2007 5:27 PM

I must be exceptionally thick Andy, as I don't see what you mean/intend to say to me.

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08/14/2007 6:02 PM

Hi Kris,

I have thick and thin days as well. Today has been middle of the road though.

That magnetic tripole is a rather interesting gadget.

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08/14/2007 6:14 PM

Hi johnjohn,

The windings are interesting (in both workmanship and effect), though following the link through to "b-fields" ends up in some very strange places as I indicated earlier. It sort of reminds me of Eric Laithwaite. He was once a highly regarded expert on gyroscopic effect, but in later years was somewhat ridiculed (I think in relation to 'anti-gravity' device claims !).

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08/14/2007 8:29 PM

I was not aware of Mr. Laithwaite. Quite an accomplished fellow.

I was especially intrigued with his ideas concerning the 196 number and the possibility of non-Lychral numbers in general. I had never heard of these palindromic numbers until I followed your link. For those who choose not to follow it, and don't know what a Lychral number is, it is one which, when the digits of the number are reversed and then added to the original number they eventually become palindromic.

"The reverse and add process produces the sum of a number and the number formed by reversing the order of its digits. eg. 56 + 65 = 121, 125 + 521 = 646, etc."

It seems the number 196 has, so far, been found to be non-Lychral. As of May 1, 2006 the reverse and add process for 196 has produced a number with 300 million digits without becoming palindromic.

Why is it that this reminds me of Pi? Has Pi even been calculated to the number of digits as the 196 number? Either way, we can add this little tidbit to future discussions of seemingly limitless numbers of digits.

Thanks for enlightening me a little.

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08/14/2007 10:37 PM

Glad you liked it johnjohn. The so called Kaprekar constant, 6174 is reached by similar iterative operations. It looks as though it might be easy to explain, but I wouldn't want to try - certainly nothing like the usual 'think of a number, double it, subtract...' etc type trick. Fun for teaching kids subtraction though, by using dates of birth. Having forgotten how many iterations my own birth date took, I'm not going to re-do it at this time of night !

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08/15/2007 5:20 AM

This stuff is just for people who believe in such things as aliens in area 51 etc.. I do not....

A mobius coil, if such a thing really existed, would need to have the start connected to the end, in such a way that it only had one side. Not a battery......!

The magnetic fields plotted from this coil just indicate that the field has been wound in reverse in the middle, you might call it a choke, nothing more, nothing less.

The pictures of flying saucers really do go over the top and the pseudo scientific explanations of how they fly are beyond belief for anyone with at least a small understanding of physics.....

.......but for the believers of such things, please carry on believing, just ignore me completely!!

I will unsubscribe from this post.

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08/15/2007 1:46 PM

Andy

If you look at my post again, you may see that I was deriding UFOs, Area 51, Orogone, and all the related stuff that came through the initial link to mobeus coils. Highlighting in more detail where some of this idiocy leads is more constructive than simply getting all huffy.

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08/14/2007 2:22 PM

"This 'electro-macrami' type stuff is interesting."

Laced Windings - Triple Pole Magnet

August Ferdinand Möbius a mathematician would be much concerned over the misuse and mispelling of his name.

Can you wind a Mobius Coil and how is done.?

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