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Marshalling Box in HV Switchyard of Power Plant

12/12/2016 4:53 AM

Marshalling box in 132kv switchyard of power plant.

Hi,

I am trainee engineer in under construction power plant, and I am confused with installation of marshalling boxes. Why marshalling box required if CTs VTs and CBs and there secondary directly connected to metering and protections relay.

Let say All CTs connection first go in to the marshaling which is installed somewhere in switchyard or control room , then connection from marshalling boxes to Protective relays connected.

As I asked to my seniors they said, because of requirements of signals providing multiples place from one equipment’s to several fullfilmanets needs, or let say one equipment ie CTs signals distribution to metering or protection relays via Marshalling boxes.

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Re: Marshalling box in HV switchyard of power plant.

12/12/2016 5:07 AM

Very often the terminals will have test facilities built in to them.

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Re: Marshalling Box in HV Switchyard of Power Plant.

12/12/2016 11:18 AM
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Re: Marshalling Box in HV Switchyard of Power Plant.

12/12/2016 12:17 PM

Hi! Marshalling box(es) in EHV switchyards are used for (i) distribution of auxiliary power supply to motor(s), heating/lighting in JBs/mechanism boxes of various equipment i.e. Isolators, CBs, CT/VT JBs and (ii) provide terminal blocks for termination of spare auxiliary contacts from isolators & CBs for further wiring to control/relay panels. CT/VT secondary wiring is directly taken to the respective control/relay panels and not via marshaling boxes.

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Re: Marshalling Box in HV Switchyard of Power Plant.

12/12/2016 2:16 PM

thanks ,

Bro , did you have any reference drawing or can you provide me , of switch yard controls , measurements and auxiliary wiring , its very helpful to understanding.

what about if power plant control system required the same signals , like winding temperature of transformers or position of tap changer, but at the same time those signals also required to SCADA/SAS system ? .how they will distributed , via marshaling box ?

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Re: Marshalling Box in HV Switchyard of Power Plant.

12/13/2016 12:22 AM

I don't have the reference drgs.

The signals from transformers are normally taken directly from the cooler control cabinet. There is no addl. advantage in routing these signals via marshalling box as this will increase the cable lengths and also introduce break in the signalling circuit.

In case of Isol/ES/CB, there are many no. of auxiliary contacts and to have a decent wiring these are taken to BMK from where further distribution to control/relay panels is done.

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Re: Marshalling Box in HV Switchyard of Power Plant.

12/20/2016 3:10 PM

thanks a lot, KUMAR.

kumar i send you message please check.

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12/13/2016 3:53 PM

If you are a trainee on a site, then all the drawings of equipment, terminal boxes and cabling are on site - and so is the equipment to examine. Drawings of another site will not help so much.

Find out where the drawings are stored. Ask someone there where the drawing lists are. They will have knowledge of what lists/ drawing sets everything is split into and what they are called, so tell them you need drawings to trace wiring from VTs/CTs to protection relays or ? The lists are probably computer files and drawings may be on-screen & available to print.

There will be a master "list of lists". There will likely be several sub-contractors and a list each. There will be cabling diagrams listed. There will be drawings for trays or trenches the cables run-in. Lists "cable by cable" and routing & termination lists or diagrams. Start with "Single Line Drawings", "General Arrangements" or "site plan". There is probably a "master layout/scheme" for site cabling to show run positions and interfaces. Get a copy of lists and drawings, if you can.

There are contractual or timescale reasons for marshalling. Even if there is one main contractor it is very unlikely every kind of equipment comes from one factory/design point.

When contracts are placed, it is unlikely many details have been designed and drawn. Particularly, the locations of switchgear, busbars, supports will not be available until the design is done - consequently, CT and VT locations are unknown.

I once had a monitor contractor who would not release any drawings until everything was done even though we said we wanted same plugs & pin-outs as last time. The panel builder got very annoyed he could not finish and ship job until information came. Delays can cost a lot of money!

Although it seems that VT/CT could be wired direct to remote relays and this minimises joints, activities cannot be done at the same time "in parallel" if one contractor has to wait until another has finalised every detail. Marshalling allows an interface point to be fixed in position and content earlier in design and a clear contractual responsibility.

When fault finding or measuring within the substation it would be most time-consuming to move from one VT/CT etc box to another with High Tension hazards to avoid and to have multiple covers off. If there is rain, snow or dust, it as more practical to have one (or minimum number) tent or walk-in marshalling cubicle.

When a sub-contact is actually placed, one of the first questions will be "where are the mechanical and electrical interface points - if you do not know, when will they be provided (and the termination details)?".

Finding out where something is and how it is connected is often the most time consuming part of a job - welcome to the club.

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Re: Marshalling Box in HV Switchyard of Power Plant.

12/20/2016 3:09 PM

thanks you very much for writing so much helpful for me, :)

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12/20/2016 4:46 PM

"Three stars" for coming back and letting people know replies were a help!

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12/13/2016 8:28 AM

Terminations not needed are a potential point of failure. The fewer connections for a CT circuit the better.

Marshall boxes may be needed if the length is too long for standard cable lengths, not likely in a switchyard. Also a method to consolidate raceways, especially underground. Many small conduits or raceways collect at some convenient point and then proceed to the relay house in one large conduit, reducing cost slightly. When the conductors go through the box without interruption, in US we call that a pull box and not marshaling panel, but you could have combination of both in one box.

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