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RAIL Conductor ACSR Problem

12/12/2016 2:32 PM

Hi,

I have a problem. All over the internet, ACSR RAIL conductor current capacity shows

and southwire shows

but OMAN CABLES show less current capacity at the same ASTM B232 Standard

and many other manufacturers show less current capacity at same standards.

Any idea why? I already called them but did not get any good answers.

Thanks

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Re: RAIL Conductor ACSR Problem

12/12/2016 2:55 PM

As always, you must read the fine print in the footnotes where it states:

(*) Note: The values of current rating mentioned in above Table are based on wind velocity of 0.6 metre/second, solar heat radiation of 1200 watt/metre2 , ambient temperature of 50ºC & conductor temperature of 80ºC.

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12/12/2016 3:26 PM

all of them have same based values , but current capacity different even 300+amps different not make any sense,

did any one know the actual/practical values even based on this below note

Note: The values of current rating mentioned in above Table are based on wind velocity of 0.6 metre/second, solar heat radiation of 1200 watt/metre2 , ambient temperature of 50ºC & conductor temperature of 80ºC.

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12/12/2016 4:13 PM

Yes. The people who published the table are absolutely certain about the information. Otherwise these people wouldn't have published it.

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12/12/2016 4:26 PM

Yes, it's called "derating" for the ambient conditions. The conditions in the desert represent a much higher solar insolation (1,200 vs 1,000 W/m²), a much higher ambient (50 vs. 20ºC), and a much higher conductor temperature (80 vs. 50ºC), all of which contribute to approximately 33% derating factor (680 vs. 960A).

You can of course ignore the realities of the situation and push 960A through the conductor, but the 50% increase in current will result in a 125% increase in the amount of losses that go into heating the conductor. The result will be an even hotter conductor that has greater sag, more annealing, and shorter life.

To its credit, Oman Cables understands the usual conditions where its cables are deployed, and acts in a responsible manner by rating them accordingly in an effort to prevent the situation that you are trying to force.

Ethical manufacturers always know their product best.

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12/13/2016 10:10 AM

RAM: As usual you prove yourself well as the "go-to" guy on this stuff. Really good explanations.

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12/20/2016 2:59 PM

thanks a lot RAM, Really good explanations

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Re: RAIL Conductor ACSR Problem

12/14/2016 1:24 AM

In my opinion, the temperature rise it is most important factor for the difference of rated currents.

If we follow the formula (8) from Copper Development Association[UK] Copper for Busbar

which, in my opinion, is indicated for all conductor type:

I1/I2=(DT1/DT2)^0.61*[1+a20*(T2-20)]/[1+a20*(T1-20)] and if we shall take:

DT1=50oC; DT2=30;a20=0.0403 ;T2=80;T1=75 then I1/I2=1.45=993/680 [approx.]

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12/20/2016 3:00 PM

thanks 7anoter4: for the all calculation.

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