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Commercial Fraud

01/10/2017 7:27 AM

can forums check and reflect the commercial fraud?

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Re: commercial fraud

01/10/2017 7:29 AM

Not from here. That's why most police jurisdictions have a Fraud Squad.

This is an Engineering forum.

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01/10/2017 8:58 AM

but commercial fraud begins from the technical sophistry

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01/10/2017 8:31 AM

Are you talking about the nightly douchenozzles who send us spam? Just report the posts and the mods remove them when they come in next morning.

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01/10/2017 9:00 AM

But they help me source kitchen cabinets,skin care products and dietary supplements!..

How would I find these things without them tipping me off?

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01/10/2017 6:36 PM

I know, right? I mean, that's how I shop. Doesn't everyone?

In GMail's early days, before there was much in the way of anti-spam measures, I used to get email spam from me* with all kinds of great offers on Viagra and Rolex knock-offs. Even ordered a bunch but, strangely, my inventory remained constant overall. I must've shipped hundreds of those things. I don't get it.

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called 'spoofing' except the perps weren't all that bright. Like peeps wouldn't notice?

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01/10/2017 9:24 AM

Sorry you,

I say specific problem.

Example: I have 10 pole motor, I told:

My motor is high performance engine. It fits in IE3 standard

How do you think?

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01/10/2017 10:18 AM

Easy. Do research.

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01/10/2017 1:26 PM

I will answer this question.

In fact, if "IE3" stand alone, it is meaningless.

IE3 is defined from: "IEC 60034-30-1 - Rotating electrical machines - Part 30-1: Efficiency classes of line operated AC motors (IE code)".

IEC 60034-30-1:2014 specifies efficiency classes for single-speed electric motors that are rated according to IEC 60034-1 or IEC 60079-0, for operation on a sinusoidal voltage supply. This standard establishes a set of limit efficiency values based on frequency, number of poles and motor power. No distinction is made between motor technologies, supply voltage or motors with increased insulation designed specifically for converter operation even though these motor technologies may not all be capable of reaching the higher efficiency classes. This makes different motor technologies fully comparable with respect to their energy efficiency potential.

IE1: Standard efficiency

IE2: High efficiency

IE3: Premium efficiency

(Currently there is standards IE4, IE5. Higher efficiency IE3)

Thus, if you say "IE3", people will understand the Premium efficiency engine.

But,

IEC 60034-30: 2014 says (quoting)

1. Scope

This part of IEC 60034 specifies efficiency classes for single-speed electric motors that are rated according to IEC 60034-1 or IEC 60079-0, are rated for operation on a sinusoidal voltage supply and:

• have a rated power PN from 0,12 kW to 1 000 kW;

• have a rated voltage UN above 50 V up to 1 kV;

• have 2, 4, 6 or 8 poles;

....

This means that the 10-pole motor is not within the scope of IEC 60034-30.

In other words, 10 pole motor without IE3; IE3 no 10 pole.

In short, 10-pole motors that fit IE3 standards is the deception of manufacturers and suppliers. To not be fooled, you need to have knowledge.

Now, PWSlack, do you still keep comments that "this is an Engineering Forum?"

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01/10/2017 7:31 PM

PWSlack is a pretty sharp guy. Been around the block a few times. If you want to get cheeky, you've picked the wrong guy, mate.

Just sayin'

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01/13/2017 12:16 AM

What does someone do with a 10 pole motor if he does not know how to spell out the specification for it?

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01/10/2017 10:29 PM

If I was in doubt about a motor not meeting its specifications or being counterfeit I would contact the company I brought it from and likely return it under warranty if their answers to my questions did not satisfy me.

This happens very rarely in my line of work as I only purchase from reputable suppliers which greatly reduces product hassles and the need to take legal action against a supplier, both of which no body needs.

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01/10/2017 9:27 AM

We do a pretty good job when it violates the laws of Thermodynamics.

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01/10/2017 10:17 AM

Just as a warning....do not click on any free movie/event stream links, they are known to be associated with ransomware....I'm sure nobody here would be so foolish, in their right mind, but just in case you may have had a few and are feeling adventurous,,,,don't!

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01/10/2017 8:00 PM

It sounds like you bought a motor that you didn't like and are trying to find an excuse for an uninformed purchase.

These sites may help you.

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Fraud Forum - GOV.UK

Good luck.

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01/10/2017 9:48 PM

May your acumen attract every (mis)fortune it deserves.

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Re: Commercial Fraud

01/12/2017 2:39 AM

Thanks everyone.

Manufacturers that I want to say to have sales in the top 10 list of the world about their product (but not the engine).

And my country full of corruption.

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