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Physicists Have Found A Metal That Conducts Electricity But Not Heat

01/30/2017 3:37 PM

http://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-have-found-a-metal-that-conducts-electricity-but-not-heat

"Researchers have identified a metal that conducts electricity without conducting heat - an incredibly useful property that defies our current understanding of how conductors work."

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Awesome! Finally something where my PhD in theoretical solid-state physics can contribute a bit of explanation :)

A lot of the "laws" we have for metals are based on "simple" metals, those where electron-electron interaction plays a very muted role in regards to material properties. In metals such as aluminum, you can sweep all the interaction effects under the rug by just giving the electron a different mass, and then treat it as if they were non-interacting. In that case, if a material is good at conduction electricity, it means each individual electron is free to move through the material as it pleases. But that automatically also makes it a good conductor for heat.

But with transition metals such as Vanadium, you can't really do that any more, because the 3d orbitals (which are the relevant orbitals there) are very close to the nucleus and thus putting more than one electron in that orbital incurs huge Coulomb energy. Thus the field of strongly-interacting systems is a very interesting and important one. Lots of things break down there. For example, Chemists will be familiar with Density Functional Theory to compute electron levels for materials. But that doesn't work for a lot of the transition metal oxides. It'd predict that Nickle Oxide would be a conductor when really it's an insulator, due to the strong on-site Coulomb repulsion between the electrons.

Here's an analogy for the principle at work: Imagine a narrow but straight staircase, where each step has just enough room for one person. There'll be a strong on-site repulsion: You don't want two people on the same step. Now, the only way you guys are able to move is by collectively moving the same way. Either ya'll moving up or ya'll moving down. That'd be electricity: Applying an external field compels you all to move in the same direction, and there's no problem here as long as everyone keeps moving. Heat, on the other hand, would involve everyone trying to move randomly. But that won't work because you'd just get everyone bumping into each other and effectively staying put.

I see the biggest application for this in thermoelectrics: Turning waste heat from, e.g., a car motor, into electricity. The effect exists, but useful commercial applications were hindered by the Wiedemann-Franz law: A temperature difference can generate an electric current, but that current would also carry the heat and thus ruin your temperature difference. With this newly discovered property of Vanadium Oxide, you could get the current while maintaining the heat difference.

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01/30/2017 4:33 PM

Wow just what is needed for producing electric from heat....I could power my electric car with a tank of propane....

https://phys.org/news/2016-03-scientists-thermionic-energy-conversion-efficient.html

http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/power/Watt_to_BTU.htm

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01/30/2017 4:41 PM

So. my feeble brain (no comments from the peanut gallery) can't quite wrap around this.

Is this different from heating because of resistance to electron flow?

Will my 300 Watt bass amp voice coil still get hot and lose some conductivity when I overdrive it?

Or, is there still resistance and where does that heat go? Radiation? Convection?

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01/31/2017 9:06 AM

My guess is it is resistant to heat flow up to a certain temperature and then it turns in to a conductor.

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"For example, when the researchers added the metal tungsten to vanadium dioxide, they lowered the temperature at which the material became metallic, and also made it a better heat conductor.

That means that vanadium dioxide could help dissipate heat from a system, by only conducting heat when it hits a certain temperature. Before that it would be an insulator."

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01/31/2017 9:32 AM

Now, that's interesting!

Thanks.

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01/31/2017 9:27 AM

Thermoelectric devices like Peltier devices are inefficient for pumping heat because the P and N type materials used not only conduct electricity but also conduct heat. (Peltier devices not only convert electric current to pump heat, but work in the reverse direction to generate voltage from a difference in temperature and current from heat flow.)

Heat conduction through the device is like having a parasitic shunt resistance in an electrical circuit.

Heat is normally conducted in metals by the free electrons, which are at liberty to move about the metallic lattice, so it's difficult to conduct electricity without conducting heat. My understanding is that electrical conduction in Vanadium dioxide is different in that the electrons jump from atom to atom, one at a time.

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01/30/2017 4:45 PM

DaS Energy, kastrupsky, joe.fordham, and walksinstorms are sure to be all over this.

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01/30/2017 7:14 PM

That brings back................................memories.

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01/30/2017 8:24 PM

I imagine those guys are all before red fish's time, though. Some time in the archives might be enlightening, though not edifying.

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01/30/2017 9:44 PM

Interesting! I'd like to have a piece of this stuff to play with.

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01/30/2017 11:58 PM

"Electrical engineers at Duke University have created the world's first electromagnetic metamaterial made without any metal. The device's ability to absorb electromagnetic energy without heating up has direct applications in imaging, sensing and lighting."

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-absorbing-electromagnetic-energy.html

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01/31/2017 12:15 AM

How is it possible that valence electron are off without restriction on a material. They must be dancing in a fine tuned frequency at that temperatures.

Tesla is damn right, so as Hutchison (could be related to Del).

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01/31/2017 9:22 AM

Excellent explanation of the discovered properties. Have you considered becoming a college physics professor? (perhaps you already are) Unusual for someone with your level of education, particularly in that field of study, to be able to convey to others what probably seems simple to you.

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02/01/2017 10:08 AM

Assuming you directed this to me, I'm not the guy from reddit. Comparatively I'm dumb. I just like things that make my head hurt.

He should be a college professor though.

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02/01/2017 10:23 AM

Reddit / Red fish - I just assumed a tie in there.

Yes - he is much better than 90% of my college professors, particularly the ones for the 15 physics courses I took. (I guess the math doesn't work right for 90%, but you get the idea)

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01/31/2017 9:29 AM

Though seem like breaks the leg of second law of thermodynamics. Protons wont easily give up precious electrons at elevated temperatures. But, only when material is close to absolute zero temperature, electron could readily skid through protons without an issue.(superconductors)

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01/31/2017 1:09 PM

Um...no.

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