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Reducing Pulling Effect of Magnetic Field?

09/04/2007 1:36 AM

Actually this is related to mechanical as well electrical engg, so I preferred to put it in general section.

We are taking trials on Induction brazing m/c, as we are into replacing of flame brazing by Induction brazing. Induction brazing has several advantages over flame brazing. But, there is one problem. The magnetic field of high frequency Inductor used for heating the brazed joint, causes the smaller silver buttons (which are brazed to bigger Copper job) to move or rotate as sson as filler metal melts.

I can't hold the Silver button in place, as we are sliding the button while brazing to increase wettability & expel any gases that may trap within the joint. The sliding has to be done without applying much pressure, but with Induction brazing if you apply less pressure the Silver butto moves & if more pressure is applied the The joint results in more voids.

As I contacted various manufacturers, they told me that the higher the frequency the lesser will be pulling effect, so I tried with brazing at 120KHz frequency (10kW power), but still the magnetic field is sufficient to make the silver button go out of control.

So is there any Induction Brazing /heating expert who can help me?

Should I go for still higher frequency, as equipments are available with 450 KHz?

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Re: how to reduce pulling effect of magnetic field?

09/04/2007 10:55 AM

Why are you certain that the induced magnetic field is causing your silver buttons to move or rotate? 120 kHz is well above the frequencies of any mechanical resonances for all but very small smallest particles. Are there other sources of vibration in your equipment which may be causing the problem?

And would you describe, please, the physical relationship between the silver buttons and the melt? Are these buttons floating on the melted filler metal? How is the workpiece oriented, etc., etc?

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Re: how to reduce pulling effect of magnetic field?

09/04/2007 11:13 PM

Are there other sources of vibration in your equipment which may be causing the problem?

Well, there is no such problem.

And would you describe, please, the physical relationship between the silver buttons and the melt? Are these buttons floating on the melted filler metal?

The copper surface is first cleaned (by acid cleaning, wire brushing) then flux paste is applied above that filler metal strip (which also contains silver) is placed then again flux & then Silver button (size 2.5 x 8 x 10). While brazing first flux melts then filler metal & fills the joint between the workpiece (copper) & Silver button by capillary action, which makes the button float

How is the workpiece oriented, etc., etc?

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Re: how to reduce pulling effect of magnetic field?

09/06/2007 8:59 AM

Are you quite sure that you are not mixing up ultra sonics with high electrical frequencies? I would not expect vibration, especially at this frequency, to be a problem. It might be induced currents in the button, being attracted in some way.....

Induction (high frequency electricity) is used (in my kitchen as well for example) to heat up ONLY things made of iron/steel, so you only heat the pot, not the hot plate (wrong name really, maybe "cold plate" would be better!!) itself!!

It saves money as it is very energy efficient and is faster than most other methods of hot plate cooking....it also disperses less heat into the atmosphere of the kitchen...and is even MORE controllable than gas!!! You can place a piece of paper between a frying pan and the hotplate, to catch fat and the paper does not even turn brown.....the hot plate just gets a little bit warm from the conducted heat from the pot only.....

I seem to have diverted from the real reason of this blog......sorry.

I would suspect that the buttons are being "dragged" electrically out of alignment, how sad. I hope the higher frequencies help you.....

By the way, do the buttons ALWAYS align themselves (wrongly) in the same way? If yes, maybe you need to redesign the button so that it aligns itself correctly under this induction, a change in shape might help.....

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