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Over Current Relay

01/22/2018 6:38 AM

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I have seen that over current relays are used to trigger tripping operation of main MCCB of LV distribution panels. There are lot of functions in OCR (Over Current Relay) to set tripping current and time rather than convention thermal magnetic tripping unit.

In what occasions should we use OCR instead of thermal magnetic trip unit for main MCCB?

Can anyone help me by giving examples for occasions that use OCR and use only thermal magnetic trip unit for main MCCB?

(I have no much experience on electrical design field and I have searched on internet but I unable to find correct reasons to differentiate these two applications)

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Re: Over Current Relay

01/22/2018 6:58 AM

<...In what occasions...OCR instead of thermal magnetic trip unit...?...>

Only when the trip is required on over-current, and not on temperature.

<...searched on internet but...unable to find correct reasons to differentiate these two applications...> That's because the reasoning is installation-specific rather than something generalised that can be found using that particular approach.

<...no[t] much experience on electrical design field...> Then find a mentor at the facility, and begin and maintain a dialogue with that individual. The individual's title will go along the lines of "Senior Electrical Engineer".

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01/22/2018 7:19 AM

<...searched on internet...> Is talking to people going out of fashion, then?

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Re: Over Current Relay

01/22/2018 11:20 AM

If you have a short circuit, you obviously want to break the circuit as quickly as possible. If you have a load with a motor starting up occasionally that imposes a moderate overload for a short period of time, you do not want nuisance tripping. You need a magnetic breaker for the first case. A thermal tripping breaker would be more appropriate for the latter case to allow momentary overcurrents but to trip if the overcurrent condition is persistent. Both of these functions are often combined.

"Thermal magnetic circuit breakers[edit]

Shihlin Electric MCCB with SHT

Thermal magnetic circuit breakers, which are the type found in most distribution boards, incorporate both techniques with the electromagnet responding instantaneously to large surges in current (short circuits) and the bimetallic strip responding to less extreme but longer-term over-current conditions. The thermal portion of the circuit breaker provides a time response feature, that trips the circuit breaker sooner for larger overcurrents but allows smaller overloads to persist for a longer time. This allows short current spikes such as are produced when a motor or other non-resistive load is switched on. With very large over-currents during a short-circuit, the magnetic element trips the circuit breaker with no intentional additional delay.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_breaker#Thermal_magnetic_circuit_breakers

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01/23/2018 1:19 AM

Thanks. Using OCR, we can enact more control on tripping current and time rather than using conventional thermal magnetic trip unit (in thermal magnetic trip unit, it is difficult control tripping time).

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Re: Over Current Relay

01/22/2018 7:28 PM

When you buy a standard MCCB for a panel, it has long-time over current protection by virtue of a rather "sloppy" thermal trip sensor arrangement; a simplistic bi-metal strip. The plus/minus range of tripping action can vary by quite a bit at any given current value, based on the ambient temperature, previous thermal condition prior to an event, how many times it has previously tripped etc. etc. Some people do not want that kind of variability in deciding when current is excessive, so they use an OCR as the deciding element.

Breakers with Electronic Trip Units (ETUs) instead of T-M trips are less variable and more repeatable, so you would rarely see an OCR added to a breaker that has an ETU, that would be a waste of money.

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01/23/2018 1:25 AM

Yes. It provide reliable operation for tripping margins without changing it's functional behavior with time or number of operations.

Also there is an another matter. When LV Distribution systems has been designed with focusing future demand, main MCCB will be with more capacity than present demand. In such cases, it is easy to govern tripping current and time of MCCB with OCR.

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