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BS 7671 - Breakers & Cables

05/08/2018 11:01 PM

Hi All, this is regarding cable sizing and protective device selection in a switchboard. I'm very new to the British standards, kindly help me out to understand the basics in the attached schedule. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmyde5hrwe6lz0h/Switchboard%20Schedule.pdf?dl=0
1) What is Id?
2) What is Igt end of line?
3) What is I2t start of line? Why is it calculated only for Phase conductor? Is it mean the cable impedance is calculated for the first few metres of the cable from the switchboard?
4) What is I2t end of line? Why is it calculated for neutral conductor?
5) What does Lmax mean? Is it the maximum length that is permitted for a particular cable size to not to exceed the allowable voltage drop?

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Re: BS 7671 - Breakers & Cables

05/09/2018 7:31 AM

If you look in the front of the book there is a section headed definitions.

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Re: BS 7671 - Breakers & Cables

05/09/2018 4:30 PM

If in doubt, consult a qualified local Electrician.

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Re: BS 7671 - Breakers & Cables

05/10/2018 8:17 AM

References to BS7671 are to 17th Ed 2015 amendments - watch out because 18th edition applies in a few months, I do not have copy - a good contract will define effective date to avoid standard changing during contract. Lots of current codes Id etc. are in 411.xx.yy of BS7671 - page 38 has "symbols used in standard" but writes If deleted by 2008 amendment.

1) Id is in part 411.6.2 of standard. Being 0.03 amp = 30 mA, I think there is RCD protection at 30 mA which sets maximum for differential imbalance. Id is S/C current to an exposed conductive part - which involves imponderable real earth rather than a protective conductor.

2) Igt is not in standard. Roughly, the standard requires that a "short circuit" fault be disconnected in less than 5 seconds (0.2 seconds for socket outlets) to limit duration of "touch potentials" between conducting parts of faulted equipment and earth or other equipment. S/C current at end of line (most impedance) is the lowest value, which must be compared with maximum trip current curve of fuse/breaker at 5 seconds - if current is greater than (gt??) that current value on curve, then trip time will be less than 5 sec.. The standard 411.3.2 gives variations with system voltage & earthing type.

3) 4) I2t is fault current squared times maximum time for protection to disconnect. The real relevant number is I2tR joules energy,where R is cable resistance, versus energy to heat conductor to maximum permitted insulation temperature, assuming no heat loss - adiabatic - that's where K2S2 applies . The calculation has to include increase of R due to heating during fault. Refer 434.5.2 and Table 43.1 of standard. Phase conductors in 3 phase circuit get maximum current for a symmetrical 3 phase fault, the current for a phase-neutral or phase-earth fault is lower. Example - for 1 ohm each wire Line & Neutral, S/C current is 230/(1+ 1) amp L-N; 400/(1+1) L-L : 230/1 for 3 phase symmetric. If line & neutral conductors are same cross-section area, it is not necessary to do neutral calculation for cable withstand but for disconnect time- which is max for end of line[lowest S/C current]. Theoretically, the maximum current seen by protection fuse is if outlet side of fuse is shorted - "start of line" - and it must be rated to break that current.

5) I do not know - because I cannot see value in table for normal load current - that is relevant for volt drop. In is rated current/setting of protection, not necessarily load current - see 433.1.1 of standard There are maximum lengths for volt drop at running and starting currents for given cable mm2 and for S/C fault clearance in required usually 5 or 0.2 seconds. The table is filled with the same example values on every line, but LC1-D25 "rings bells" as a motor contactor Telemecanique/Schneider make, so looks like motor circuit.

The chart header says max volt drop 5%, but standard Table 4Ab in Appendix 4 has 3% for lighting and 5% at running current would give 30% at 6 x full load motor start - which could cause start trouble. The table has no column for motor start current & time - which are relevant to overload protection & not tripping out during start attempt.

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05/12/2018 4:03 PM

I tried to guess the meaning of Lmax and % volt drop column 5 in "Switchboard Schedule".

Is it length of run for 5% volt drop :-

1/ 4 mm2 copper wire is 4.35 mΩ /m @ 20 Celsius; per table 4D 4B/BS7671, 5.5 mΩ/m @ 70 Celsius. For first line of Schedule, Ib is 3.85 Amps, Loop drop 20 Celsius copper (Live + Neutral), single phasel is 2 x 4.35 = 9 mΩ/Amp/m x 3.85 x 514 metres = 17.8 volts - that's 7.7% of 230V. Three phase drop @ 70 'C copper is 9.5 mΩ/Amp/m x 3.85 x 514 m = 18.8V - that is 4.7% of 400V. N.B. 3 phase volt drop is 5.5 x 2 x sin 30 degrees = 9.5 mΩ/Amp/m - as Table 4D 4B, 4 mm2 3 phase. That fits 5% if there is an assumed 1.06 multiplier to current for 6% low voltage, or an assumed copper temperature of 35 Celsius, not stated in schedule.

2/ Considering 1/, 4.7%, where does 2.42 % volt drop on 5th line of Schedule come from?? It is not for 120m actual run, which would be about 1%. Lmax varies in proportion to Ib on each line of table, but % volt drop in 5th column does not.

Is it maximum length of run for disconnection in 0.4 seconds, per 411.3.2.2 of standard for Uo = 230V line-earth?

3/ Table 41.3(a) for 16 amp type B circuit breakers (MCB) or RCBOs gives max 2.73 Ω - that makes 2.73/2 = 1.365 Ω for earth or phase conductor - N.B. Temperature rise of a 29 amp rated cable is negligible at 4 amps. That would be 1365/4.35 = 314 metres run, well short of 514m Lmax in Schedule.

Considering the above, I am not surprised the OP is confused - he should ask maker of Schedule to explain!!!

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