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A Rare Simple Fix

07/03/2018 12:57 PM

I work on my car from time to time mostly when it has issues. I have had one intermittent issue since I got my car a few years ago that I kept putting off looking into. When I finally looked into it the solution turned out to be a simple one.

The problem

The problem happens when it is hot out and the car is hot and I drive the car and park for about half an hour or less. When I start the car after sitting for a short time and the engine is hot, the idle is high, sometimes 2k but sometimes 3k. Another seemingly related issue I was noticing, when I come off the clutch the engine speed would dip before it settled and in rare cases stall. The issue didn't happen when the weather is cold and not when the engine is cool. If the car sits for an hour or more so that it cools down some then the idle is fine.

I ignored it

I ignored the problem for a long time because A. I mostly drive to work park the car and drive home park and repeat. With this use the problem never appears so it is easy to ignore. B. It is cold a good portion of the year so I forget about the issue until the temperature rises.

I was time

I decided I was time to fix the issue. The problem hadn't happened in a while as it was cold out. On one of the first hot days of the year I decided to bring in my car for inspection as it was due. It passed inspection, but I noticed the person who pulled my car out of the bay looking confused and talking to the others after. No one said anything to me about something being off, I got in my car and when I started it, it was idling at 3k which is quite high. It was one of those rare moments of a hot day and the car was only off for a short time for the inspection. No CEL or codes presented or it would not have passed.

I researched it

I looked into possible issues and found a number of suggestions online about possible causes. Popular on the suggestion list was cleaning the idle air control (IAC) and throttle body. Also popular was checking for vacuum leaks and adjusting the throttle cable. I decided I was going to set aside some time and just do all the suggestions and see if that fixed it although I wasn't sure when.

The problem was obvious

As it so happened the light telling me it was time for an oil change came on. knowing that is a quick easy job I picked up the oil and filter to do that after work. I opened the hood with the engine still hot and looked at the throttle body. Upon inspection, it looked like the throttle was not sitting on the idle adjustment screw. I pushed the valve and sure enough their was a gap and the cable was pulling tension. I changed my oil and then went out later after the car had cooled and checked again. Now with the engine cold the throttle valve was sitting on the screw.

I turned the bolts

After a little WD40 I turned the bolts holding the cable sheath, it only took a small amount of adjustment to remove the tension. It took all of 10 minutes and would have been quicker if it wasn't a bit rusted.

The result

The idle is now perfect and stable with no dips or revving. It has been a little over a week and we are going through a heat wave. I have had to run a number of errands and left my car sit hot and started it again a number of times already. Every time the idle is just below 1k where it should be. I also don't see it dip low when I come off the clutch. I am guessing that issue was the computer trying to compensate for a mechanical issue. The problem as best I can tell was that the cable sheath expands and pulls tension when it is hot.

This was one of those rare cases when the solution to a dreaded problem, was simple and quick once I looked into it.

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07/03/2018 3:50 PM

Frank, there is simply no hope for you.

What about the car parts guys struggling to make ends meet. This could have included replacing the spark controller, plugs and wires, the exhaust manifold gaskets, fuel pump and filter, and (for good measure) the front brake rotors and pads.

Instead of spending $900 bucks on unnecessary parts, you just went ahead and figured out the root problem - first.

Well done!

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07/03/2018 4:55 PM

Silicone spray would be better than wd-40...

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07/04/2018 7:46 PM

I used WD40 because it was easy to find and on hand. When I used it I was thinking pb blaster or a silicone spray would be better. I just didn't want to go searching for an alternative when WD40 was sitting right in front of me.

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07/04/2018 8:12 PM

I am not a fan of silicone sprays, especially as a penetrator or a metal lube.

Once a tiny droplet of silicone lands on a surface, that surface becomes unpaintable and un"glue"able without much cleaning. (with toluene) It travels relentlessly once applied to a surface.

Not a problem under the hood, usually.

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07/05/2018 8:43 AM

Yes to strict silicone precautions. Before I retired the shop didn't want ANY silicone product in the building, because of the way it messed with painting.

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07/03/2018 7:57 PM

From the looks of that photo, I'd say you have a serious rust problem.

I'd suggest a monthly spritz of WD-40 from now on.

Sometimes the hardest part of a project is just getting started.

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07/03/2018 9:27 PM

Rust problem? Where? That ain't no stinking rust. It's just a bit of patina. You Arizona folks get so spoiled cause nuttin' rusts down there.

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07/03/2018 9:44 PM

Yes, and it's a dry heat.

6:45 PM and it's 105°F and 19% RH under the eve of my house now.

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07/03/2018 11:46 PM

about time somebody put a swamp cooler in.

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07/04/2018 7:10 AM

Why is it called a swamp cooler when you can't cool a swamp with it?

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07/04/2018 10:46 AM

Rather than hacking this thread, maybe a new thread can be started with :

A. Mad scientist attempts to cool swamp with swamp cooler.

B. National university engineering research team conducts study on the cooling effects of swamp coolers on cooling swamp water.

C. Swamp cooler races, racing swamp coolers over the surfaces of swamp waters using the cooling force of the units fan to cool surrounding air and provide propulsion.

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07/04/2018 11:19 AM

W D 40, as some have suggested here is only a temporary band aid. The linkage assembly and itsi components are a dry unit. Liquid oils will attract dirt, accelerating wear. If anything, a dry lubricant such as graphite would be much better.

Your description follws two courses, inner cable / sheath wear and / or throttle body shaft / bushing (s) / control arm wear.

Pretty much you might have two options, some throttle bodies can be rebuilt, some can't.

From a safety standpoint, a sticking throttle could result in a loss of vehicle control causing damage and bodily injury.

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07/04/2018 2:09 PM

I read it as the purpose of the WD40 was to free up some rusted bolts.

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07/04/2018 2:31 PM

100 uses for WD-40 - My Honeys Place

Among them:

  1. Cleans lawnmower blades
  2. Cleans ashtrays
  3. Cleans old muffin tins
  4. Removes tomato stains from clothes
  5. Cleans bed frame
  6. Cleans mildew from refrigerator gasket
  7. Cleans and protects TV antenna
  8. Shines leaves of artificial houseplants

There are 92 more uses for those who are curious.

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07/04/2018 2:40 PM

I guess that it can be used to displace water in a spark distributor cap as wall.

I know a fella, always takes a small can fishing - sprays some on fishing lures, swears it works to attract more strikes.

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07/04/2018 3:01 PM

I like Kroil better than WD40, but I've now run out of it! At my age it isn't cost effective to buy another gallon; any suggestions? Gibbs, Blaster, WD40, and more.

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07/04/2018 3:19 PM

I use WD 40 for most things because it's available everywhere.

I do use some purple liquid to lube my bike chains.

I get the age thing, too. At 71, I've had to come to grips with mortality.

Doorman, What's a distributor cap?????

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07/04/2018 3:47 PM

Cap on the distributor. What else?

Wait for it ....

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07/04/2018 4:17 PM

Oh no!

Is that anything like a henweigh?

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07/04/2018 5:39 PM

WD-40 and Duck Tape. If it sticks, use WD-40; if it wont stick use Duck Tape. It's an old saw (adage), but accurate.

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07/04/2018 7:02 PM

I'd be more interested to know if 100 - 8, actually equals 92.

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07/04/2018 8:02 PM

Yes the WD40 was to free the rusted adjustment bolts, the throttle body moves freely. If the butterfly valve was sticking I would have removed the throttle body and cleaned it completely.

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07/04/2018 8:41 PM

Just one question, that inquiring minds want to know: Was it a red Cavalier?

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07/05/2018 9:47 AM

I am probably missing something context wise here but no, it is a 05 blue corolla xrs.

I hate red as a car color and would never get one although I did take a hand me down red car for free when I was in college.

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