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4-20mA Signal from Level Transmiter

09/28/2007 2:56 AM

I want to take a signal from the Level Transmitter mouted on the Furnace oil Tank to the Control System. The distance between the contol panel and the Transmitter is about 350 Meters. Is that any chance to get drop the signal because of the length of the cable. or any specific cable I have to use? appreciate your comments

A K Saseendran

aksasee@computronics-intl.com

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmitter

09/28/2007 6:17 AM

Well, the rule of thumb is that 4-20mA signals are good up to 1000 meters or 1 kilometer. However, you are right to ask about the cable to be used.

The typical instrumentation cable for 4-20mA signal transmission is a twisted-pair shielded cable. Typically, they come in 18AWG but you can get them up to 16AWG.

Now, I've used instrumentation cable up to 500 meters and had no problems. Then again, I had only one load on it and I never bothered to check how much the voltage drop was.

You should get the resistance-per-foot (or meter) of the particular cable you're using and calculate if the total cable resistance will exceed your requirements. Another rule of thumb says that if you're using a 24Vdc supply in your current loop, you should not exceed 1000Ω on a 4-20mA line. If your load is 250Ω, that leaves you with 750Ω to play with.

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmitter

09/29/2007 1:08 AM

Sir.

Thanks for the information and support. One more point! If I use multi core (3 sets twisted pairs shielded and armured) cable can I use the one of the pairs for energising a 24VDC coil Relay to ON/OFF solenoid valve and one pair for getting the feedback. Will it effect the signals?

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmitter

09/30/2007 4:07 AM

Good practice for instrumentation is to never mix analog with discrete (on/off) signals. Sometimes, on/off devices with coils (like relays and solenoid valves) can produce voltage spikes that can affect your analog signals. The shield will offer some protection but don't push it. Use a different cable for your on/off signals.

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmitter

10/01/2007 9:25 AM

Quite; good answer.

Another possibility might be to increase the power supply voltage a little to get over the cable resistance, should length prove to be a marginal problem at higher currents.

Lower down, the Original Poster reveals that there are additional pairs available in this cable. A further option available to the Poster would be to wire these pairs in parallel with the original circuit, to further reduce the loop resistance.

Yet another option would be to run the cable using larger diameter conductors.

Yet another option would be to add a 'current mirror' unit at intervals along the loop, which provide a new voltage source and a 1:1 relationship between input and output.

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmiter

09/29/2007 8:49 AM

No problem if your loop resistance doesn't exceed the manufacturer's recommended specs. On a 20mA current, your voltage drop will be negligable, calculated at typically a 24vdc source. Figure your voltage drop at 20volts to give yourself some headroom. My experience with analog signals is that they go nuts below 19vdc, depending on the system you are using.

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmiter

10/01/2007 1:59 PM

Have you thought about using a wireless option? Check out www.remotecontroltech.com and look at the Wireless Switch System 151 Mhz Digital and Analog system.

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmiter

10/02/2007 2:07 PM

Another option would be to use optical fiber.

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Re: 4-20mA Signal from Level Transmiter

10/02/2007 10:45 PM

Hi A K S,

If you are worried about the distance, besides the above suggestions, you may check first if it affects your controller performance due to the resistance of your wire. Have a 4-20 ma current source.This instruments is standard when calibrating instruments and controllers.

Feed your 4-20 ma at the end of the line (at the level controller side) then check your controller it should read the following, 4 ma at 0 level or 0%, 8 at 25%, 12 at 50%, 16 at 75% and 20 at 100% respectively, if this result is fine, you have no reason to worry.

If this result is not good, you may opt to use transmitters, repeaters or converters. this are DC to DC, this are available in the market.

I forget to mention, please also calibrate your controller and level transmitter, to have an optimum response of your system. And if still in doubt, ask for professional help in your area.

good luck!

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