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Air Expansion in a Sealed Tank

11/15/2018 7:21 AM

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I've calculated time variation of gas pressure in a tank when compressor trips off and continuously liquid from the tank is consumed at constant rate (because of blocked pressure before compressor Off). The attached figure shows for different initial gas volumes, time variation of gas pressure. Could someone explain the reason why the time to drop pressure increases as initial Air volume increases (from 0.5 m3 to 2m3). This is calculated by basic ideal gas equation for before ans after displacing the liquid ie. P1V1 = P2V2 ---> P2 = (P1V1)/V2. 1- for before liquid displacement. 2 - for after liquid displacement.

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Re: Air expansion in a sealed tank

11/15/2018 8:17 AM

Pressure is inversely proportional to volume (assuming temperature doesn't change).

PV = nRT, where nRT stays constant. Here's an example (top graph)

"When a gas occupies a smaller volume, it exerts a higher pressure; when it occupies a larger volume, it exerts a lower pressure (assuming the amount of gas and the temperature do not change). Since P and V are inversely proportional, a graph of 1/P vs. V is linear."

https://opentextbc.ca/chemistry/chapter/9-2-relating-pressure-volume-amount-and-temperature-the-ideal-gas-law/

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11/15/2018 8:34 AM

Simple. Were the volume to be negligible the pressure drop rate would be very high, and vice versa, because air is compressible and water effectively isn't.

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11/15/2018 9:37 AM

Air is compressed, it's a gas....the water is not compressible....

..."In thermodynamics and fluid mechanics,compressibility (also known as the coefficient of compressibility or isothermal compressibility) is a measure of the relative volume change of a fluid or solid as a response to a pressure (or mean stress) change."....

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Re: Air Expansion in a Sealed Tank

11/15/2018 11:01 PM

Thank you all for your comments and time.

I'm trying to understand physically the process. The point I'm not able to understand is, the equation I used is not having the compressibility parameter (But equation is for Gas) but how its effect is seen in the calculation result. Please give some light on the physical process to understand better.

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11/16/2018 3:24 AM

<...Please give some light on the physical process to understand better....>

There's three "good answers" above that do just that.

Come out of the equations and think about the principle of what is happening inside the vessel.

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11/16/2018 9:46 AM

Consider the following:

A 10 liter tank contains 9 liters of water and 1 liter of gas.

If you remove a liter of water, it will contain 8 liters of water and 2 liters of gas. The volume of the gas will have doubled the pressure will be 50% of original.

If the tank starts with 5 liters of water and 5 liters of gas, when you remove a liter of water it will contain 4 liters of water and 6 liters of gas. The volume of gas only increased by 20%. The pressure will have decreased to 83.3% of original.

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11/16/2018 2:49 PM

The pressure in the available volume is constant, regardless of the volume. So it is like trying to fill an automobile tire with a 1/2 liter tank or a 10 liter tank. The 1/2 liter tank will be exhausted much sooner than the 10 liter tank, so you see the pressure drop much faster on the 1/2 liter tank...

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Re: Air Expansion in a Sealed Tank

11/18/2018 7:05 AM

Thank you all for the explanations. I could understand now better and also the effect compressibility.

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11/19/2018 8:29 PM

Uncompressed air in a water heater (when it's first installed let's say) starts at 14 lbs. Or so, as the tank is filled with water,(with 50 psi. Or so) the air pressure above the water begins to increase. As the level of the water nears the top, the air pressure is increased to sometimes well above the test pressure of the tank (300 psi). This is why water heaters used to be tested with pressurized air (150 psi.) Under water. Also this is why when the tank is filling with (uncompressable) water, the plumber opens a hot water tap, or else (there is massive damage when the tank splits). Of course a tank designed to withstand very high pressure, would be o.k. But household water heaters........never. It is one of the first things you learn in the plumbing trade, because the maths become apparent with out numbers. The "uncompressabllity" of water of course is a different subject, but it can also be understood by the fact that sea mammals can hear each other hundreds and hundreds of miles apart, because sea water can't be compressed any more than it all ready is. There is enough math to fill a small book on these subjects, but I hope this post helps.

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11/19/2018 9:38 PM

This might be considered an off topic math questions about a sealed tank at normal atmospheric pressure.. How many square inches are in the inside of a 50 gallon water tank? If the tank is filled with air to a pressure of 30 psi. What is the total pressure exerted on the inside of the tank? If the tank is filled with 50 gallons of water at 30 psi, what is the total pressure exerted on the inside of the tank? Does a tank half full of water and half full of pressurized air react differently top and bottom? Curiosity.

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11/20/2018 10:49 AM

<...If the tank is filled with air to a pressure of 30 psi. What is the total pressure exerted on the inside of the tank?...> 30psi, as stated in the question.

<...If the tank is filled with 50 gallons of water at 30 psi, what is the total pressure exerted on the inside of the tank?...> 30psi as stated in the question.

<...Does a tank half full of water and half full of pressurized air react differently top and bottom?...> One must make due allowance for the additional head on the bottom of the <...tank...> caused by the column of water below the <...pressurized air...> inside it.

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11/20/2018 10:47 AM

<...the air pressure is increased to sometimes well above the test pressure of the tank...>

That sounds like a recipe for catastrophic and spectacular destructive testing! Please make sure that all other CR4 readers are standing well away when this event is caused to take place.

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