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Low Consumption Electric Motor and DC Generator

11/18/2018 11:14 AM

Low consumption motor & DC generator.

Objective : to build an electric motor operated under low power (voltage and current) , powered by a single small solar panel which can operate in the artificial light and which can be transformed in a small electric dc generator.

VIDEO 1. : TEST 1 "Low consumption motor"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh079n4TYn0

Neodymium sphere 19 mm diameter - the key component

Material NdFeB Shape, Sphere Diameter 19 mm Tolerance +/- 0,1 mm, Coating Chrome-plated (Ni-Cu-Ni-Cr), Manufacturing method sintered Magnetisation N38 Strength approx. 4,9 kg (approx. 48,1 N), Max. working temperature 80°C, Weight 27,2943 g, Curie temperature 310 °C, Residual magnetism Br 12200-12600 G, 1.22-1.26 T, Coercive field strength bHc 10.8-11.5 kOe, 860-915 kA/m, Coercive field strength iHc ≥12 kOe, ≥955 kA/m, Energy product (BxH)max 36-38 MGOe, 287-303 kJ/m³ 19 mm , Pollutant-free according to RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU._
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Important : the metal cases with screws should be positioned : one to the N magnetic pole of the neodymium sphere 19 mm diameter and the second one on the S magnetic pole of the sphere. ( In the presented Video 1. , at the first test, the metal cases weren't properly placed on the sphere and the motor doesn't reached the full speed )

In the upper side of the sphere there is no friction between the screw and the iron - see the TEST 2

**VIDEO 2. : low consumption motor TEST 2 **

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qr0PBhojwk

Input DC power - mini solar panel -VIMUN SC-3012-2A, 29.44mm×11.6mm×1.1mm, 4 cells

There are a total of four electrical components. A small solar panel ( VIMUN SC-3012-2A, 29.44mm×11.6mm×1.1mm, 4 cells. The following specifications were listed, 2.0 Vos, 9.0 UAsc, 1.5 Vop, at 200Lux), a 470 uF 10 V electrolytic capacitor, a coil iron less with thin copper wire and a small circuit board with a black blob on it.

Under this blob is the integrated circuit chip. It provides the correctly timed pulses to the coil and magnet combination. The integrated circuit is more or less just a low frequency oscillator which runs at approximately 1 Hz most likely driving an open drain NMOS switch ( output on pin 3 ) which periodically connects the coil to the - terminal. The circuit pulses the 18 mH coil causing the neodymium sphere magnet spinning.

electrical components used (excepting the coil iron less ) - from a solar powered flapping toy.

The presented low voltage electric motor can be transformed in a DC generator by adding a second coil iron - less, a rectifier (Ac to DC) and a led :

The rectifier used in this test can be found in a old phone charger.

IMPORTANT NOTE : if you will connect directly the led to the solar panel, the led will NOT light , due to the low voltage output of the solar panel.

The second coil used can be found in a syncronous motor 230 V (microwave turntable motor)

Important :

without using the rectifier (AC to DC ) results AC voltage.

VIDEO 2. : TEST 1 "DC GENERATOR. Sphere generator" - DC voltage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhZ4kNVp20w

In the presented video the "led " is from a printer scanner light (DC voltage).

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11/18/2018 12:38 PM

I bought a bunch of these for the grandkids a few years back....pretty cool

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11/18/2018 1:04 PM

in the presented TESTS, I used a mini solar panel which can be found inside an office calculator, the provided power in the artificial light is " NOTHING " (max. 1.25 V and 0.054 ma), the weight of the sphere without the metal cases is 27 g.

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11/18/2018 1:51 PM

What's the point? ...or what are you hoping to do?

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11/18/2018 2:14 PM

lets start with the beginning :

How can we light a 6 V -12 V led (inside scanner lamp) using a single mini solar panel (inside an office calculator ) exposed in artificial light ?

Answer 1 . It is easy use a step up booster/ transformer - IT WILL NOT WORK, because there's hardly any power at all from that panel , trying to increase it's voltage means you reduce it's current (plus losses as well ), as it stands the solar panel can't generate enough power to start the converter .........

Answer 2 - It is impossible - WRONG - I have just demonstrate it is possible....

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11/18/2018 3:23 PM

Calculators use very little power -- CMOS logic and LCD displays draw current only when they are switching state (and very little then), and a calculator is in a quiescent state almost all of the time. So it takes just a puny solar cell to power a calculator.

The law of conservation of energy says that energy out equals energy in, and some of the energy out is wasteful heat that cannot be recovered.

Power equals energy x time. So if you leave your solar cell in the light for a long enough time and have the means to store the energy, you might have enough energy to light your LED lamp for a very short time. If your LED required 100x the power supplied by the solar cell, neglecting losses, you could light the LED 1% of the time (1% duty cycle).

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11/18/2018 3:42 PM

Hello rixter nice to meet you ! there are no batteries here implicated only a single mini solar panel and in the final 6 V - 12 V led from a scanner lamp. In general the office callculators are using a small battery and the mini solar panel job is to charge (lenght ) that battery as we all know. The neodymium sphere weight is 27 g + two metal cases+ the weight of the screws.

the friction in the upper side is minimum (excepting air resistance) as you can see in the test 2.

the small solar panel power in the test is 1.25 V x 0.054 ma

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11/18/2018 6:17 PM

..."Any LED can be driven at low current, as long as you meet the forward voltage requirements. So the trick is not to find an LED that has a low current rating but one with a very high brightness rating at, say, 20mA. An LED that's very bright at its nominal current rating will still be plenty visible at a lower current"...

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11/19/2018 6:48 AM

I found very interesting the link you posted here I will read it with atention ( please be informed that the input power in this particular case is 1.25 V X 0.054 ma) If you ask me there is no led "in Paris" with high brightness wich can plently visibile directly conected to the Vimun solar panel in the mentioned conditions. Agree ?

I will also test the motor "generator" using a 30 mm diameter sphere on the presented setup ( Increasing the strenght and the weight - 110 g )

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11/18/2018 2:59 PM

I have addressed this question to some very well trained people - lets say " top " - " we are a serious site ", (referring question that I already answered here on CR 4 ) , and they where so embarrassed of their responses (they've make an alliance) , such that right now they are still working (in the same alliance formula ) to cover public answers for them this means "Justice" ...I am the same annoying ST, Jake knows me well .....

One thing is for sure : I am not looking for the glory because nobody knows who I am , and I am not looking for money...

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11/18/2018 3:10 PM

Perhaps you should form an alliance with ralfcis and teach us all a lesson in humility.

You might get some help here:Kids Science Labs Kids Science Labs

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11/18/2018 3:21 PM

Hello lyn Don't tell me.... you know another way to make that led glow .

Instead DO exactly like the aliance guy's did ......you can tell me if you Know how can you make that led glow using that tiny solar panel.

Ps : you are not the first with this kind of impulsive reaction.

I have no cv to show you , I am some one unprepaired never been to school....

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11/18/2018 3:26 PM

You don.t understand.... I am sending arows only If they are not polyte for example they've start with " overunity BS" in that alliance....

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11/18/2018 6:53 PM

..."you can tell me if you Know how can you make that led glow using that tiny solar panel."...

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11/18/2018 3:49 PM

IT WILL Be my pleasure to make an aliance with any man on the Earth which know what is the modesty, no matter how is preparred is it or is not. Please remove that link .....is not funny, probably the Cr4 members will tell you the same....lyn...jake some help here (refering the context and the link to the electric engineer )

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11/18/2018 7:46 PM

You have a lot to learn.

I was referring to these and similar projects that contain the necessary items to perform experiments such as you suggest, if I am smart enough to comprehend what you are trying, in vain, to do.

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11/19/2018 11:47 AM

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea Maxima culpa ! I was thinking you are trying to make me to look foolish.

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11/18/2018 6:04 PM

How about naming these "top" people?

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11/19/2018 11:34 AM

I will not mention names...I pretend to be a gentleman. The only clue : a forum probably the bigest, with very well prepared people (ref to admin, moderators and some members).

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11/18/2018 2:02 PM

I tried this once for a project and the provided power was definitely "NOTHING", because the solar powered calculator I brought had a battery hidden inside and the solar panel was fake and did nothing.

I expected more from a 'dollar' store.

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11/18/2018 2:38 PM

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11/18/2018 2:04 PM

Is this a proof of concept in relation to your previous discussion?

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11/18/2018 2:33 PM

Hello Jake !

I am looking forward to improve the " RMF device " you mentioned it , in that link ( I wish a small portable device which can be powered anywhere (candle light,sun light, artificial light, ambient light ,etc and get read of external battery in the future ) .

You know me I always like to put "my motors at work" and try to obtain some DC or Ac voltage, why not ? , soon it will be Christmas and I have some led which are making blue and red light so why not ?

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11/19/2018 11:45 AM

As I mentionened soon it will be Christmas and I am not satisfied with the light provided by the Vimun mini solar panel Through the " generator" to that led scanner and I want a more powerful light.

I am thinkin.....what if I will insert the sphere inside the second coil iron less on the same principle ?

(I will have hadakes regarding catching the sphere to reduce friction.....it will be hard but not imposible )

something related with....:

What do you think ? the led will light better

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08/17/2020 5:52 AM

You need to show something next to the generator. Like holding it in your hand. This way I would have gotten a better idea of the correct size and product.

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08/17/2020 12:42 PM

Ok, soon I will return to the office and I will make a new video, more relevant.

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08/18/2020 6:29 AM

As I promised, here it is :

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